Marianne Luban
re: European King Tutankhaten
Wed Nov 22, 2017 07:51
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Tory:

"The maternal DNA, not the Y-DNA, establishes that Tut was related to the members of Akhenaton's family."

Well, no--it was autosomal DNA that connected Tut to the rest of his family. Autosomal DNA works on the principle that we receive one allele from each of our parents at any microsatellite marker. The kit that those who worked on the royal mummy DNA project used seems to use eight markers. That's how the lineage was established. Tut received an allele from KV55 and the Younger Lady, who in turn received theirs from Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye. To establish parentage, every single allele has to match.

Tory:

"But the Y-DNA of Akhenaton and Amenhotep III is not R1b1a2 so Akhenaton cannot be Tut's father."

How do you know this? If Tut really is R1b1a2 [which is a y-DNA haplogroup, which are different from the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups] then the men who are his father and grandfather must have R1b1a2, also. In fact the entire line of 18th dynasty kings, beginning with Tuthmose I should have the same haplogroup.

Tory:
"The Y-DNA is only passed from a father to a son, but the female gives her DNA to all of her offspring."

Exactly, but R1b1a2 is a father-to-son haplogroup, attached to their y-DNA. These kings also have a mt-haplogroup, depending on who their mothers were, but nobody has revealed those or tried to figure them out.

https://www.livescience.com/15388-discovery-channel-tutankhamen-dna.html

  • re: European King TutankhatenTory, Tue Nov 21 22:59
    The maternal DNA, not the Y-DNA, establishes that Tut was related to the members of Akhenaton's family. But the Y-DNA of Akhenaton and Amenhotep III is not R1b1a2 so Akhenaton cannot be Tut's father. ... more
    • re: European King Tutankhaten — Marianne Luban, Wed Nov 22 07:51
      • re: European King TutankhatenTory, Sat Nov 25 23:05
        R1b1a2 cannot possibly be the Y-DNA of Amenhotep IV, III, and the rest of the male line back to the Theban dynasty founder. This Y-haplogroup is virtually non-existent in Egypt and everywhere else in ... more
        • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Tue Nov 28 15:59
          Tory: "R1b1a2 cannot possibly be the Y-DNA of Amenhotep IV, III, and the rest of the male line back to the Theban dynasty founder. This Y-haplogroup is virtually non-existent in Egypt and everywhere... more
          • re: European King TutankhatenTory, Wed Nov 29 03:17
            Tut does not just have one grandfather. Every human being as two grandfathers, a paternal and a maternal one. The autosomal DNA results make Amenhotep III the maternal grandfather of Tut, not his... more
            • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Fri Dec 1 07:54
              And, by the way, just go here and you'll find an entire chart of where the haplogroup in question can be found in Africa and to what degree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b
              • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Wed Dec 6 12:04
                You know, though, I think the 18th Dynasty royals have some unknown story connected to their DNA and, if someone had time and the right program, they might be able to figure out what the story was. I ... more
            • re: European King TutankhatenMarianne Luban, Fri Dec 1 07:40
              Tory: "Tut does not just have one grandfather. Every human being as two grandfathers, a paternal and a maternal one. The autosomal DNA results make Amenhotep III the maternal grandfather of Tut, not... more
      • re: European King TutankhatenRich McQuillen, Wed Nov 22 10:47
        Off-topic: I have made a claim with Tut that he appears in Greek Mythology. The son of the sun(Aten). The son of Tithonus(Tutankh). He falls off his chariot and drowns in the Nile. He's mourned by... more
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