Marianne Luban
Re: Amenhotep II and His Reign
Sun Dec 31, 2017 09:10
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Joe wrote:

"Here the era used is (inclusive) years since the birth of Abraham. So 490 in pseudo-Dionysius, is just 490 (inclusive) years after the birth of Abraham. In this year Chencheres began his reign and here pseudo-Dionysius just inserts a chunk of Artapanus material which includes a summary of how he died. However as can be seen from the table Chencheres died by drowning in 505 (506 in pseudo-Dionysius) which was the 430th year since the Abraham covenant which happened in the 75th year of the birth of Abraham. And all this chronological data in pseudo-Dionysius is clearly that of Eusebius/Jerome - there is no additional maths performed by pseudo-Dionysius."

In my book, "Manetho Demystified", I make it clear that pseudo-Dionysius is following the same math as those who wrote that there were 505 years between Abraham and Moses. But he is the first one to say that the Year 490 is when Moses confronted Cencheres. According to Eusebius, who came before Pseudo-Dionysius, and his math, the Year 490 amounts to 1450 BCE--the same year that Amenhotep II succeeded by the High Chronology. So how does that not work? We get Artapanus from Eusebius. Judging by that, Artapanus does not mention Cencheres--although he might have. He doesn't in anything from Eusebius. But Artapanus indicated that Moses left Egypt in the time of Cenephres--in the Year 430. And remember--Syncellus wrote that according to "the present calculation" Moses was young in the time of King Amos [Ahmose]. Therefore, Moses could not have led an exodus in either that reign or for the next 40 years--even if he was as old as 40 when he left Egypt. In other words, these authors did not believe there was an exodus in the Year 430--which was 1510 BCE according to the math of Eusebius. As I point out in my new book "The Life and Times of Moses Viceroy of Kush" those who said the Moses left Egypt in the reign of Ahmose [which is probably true] were misinterpreted as having indicated the exodus had taken place in his reign. So Syncellus made the correction. And the Artapanus material definitely has a connection with the 18th Dynasty! Amenhotep I died in the month of Phamenoth, which was named after the commemoration of his passing in that seventh month. "Palmenothes" is just "pA n imnHtp"--the same as "Phamenoth". You tell me where else in Egyptian history there is a king whose name could possibly correspond!

  • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignJoe Baker, Sat Dec 30 02:50
    Hi Marianne As for the Chronicle of pseudo-Dionysius, which is now called the Zuqnin Chronicle and whose last entry is for 774/5 AD, I am afraid it does not support your argument. Now, I can not find ... more
    • Re: Amenhotep II and His Reign — Marianne Luban, Sun Dec 31 09:10
      • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignJoe Baker, Sat Jan 6 21:15
        Hi Marianne pseudo-Dionysius ... is the first one to say that the Year 490 is when Moses confronted Cencheres This entry does not say Moses confronted Cencheres in 490. The entry says “Year 490. The... more
      • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignMarianne Luban, Sun Dec 31 09:27
        And see Pietersma's book on page 8 as to when Palmanothes and Cenephres were placed. They were Amenhotep I and Thutmose I.... more
        • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignMarianne Luban, Sun Dec 31 10:52
          Here, once again, is the math of Eusebius. According to Eusebius, there are 2044 years from the birth of Abraham to the 15th year of Tiberias Caesar [which is 29 CE]. Abraham born in 2015 BCE.... more
          • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignJoe Baker, Sat Jan 6 21:22
            Hi Marianne In response to your posts, I, for clarity, again give a chart showing the chronology of Eusebius, Pseudo-Dionysius and his excerpts from Artapanos (I add an extra one - via Eusebius [in... more
            • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignMarianne Luban, Sun Jan 7 12:50
              Joe wrote: "In your post of 31 Dec 2017 (post 17794) you said According to Eusebius, there are 2044 years from the birth of Abraham to the 15th year of Tiberias Caesar [which is 29 CE]. Abraham born... more
              • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignJoe Baker, Mon Jan 8 06:51
                Hi Marianne On the 15th year of Tiberius you said The consensus now is 29 AD for the 15th Year of Tiberias--so I reckon with that. Can you explain how you know how Eusebius counted? It does not... more
                • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignMarianne Luban, Mon Jan 8 08:07
                  Joe wrote: "However Eusebius did not use the Julian calendar. He used the Syro-Macedonian calendar of Caesarea to fix the start of the year which began in October and he dated years both by Olympiads ... more
                  • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignMarianne Luban, Mon Jan 8 13:35
                    Now this site gives a different take on the "Seleucid reckoning" which, to be honest, I have never known to be viewed like this. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/counting-the-years/ Of... more
                  • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignMarianne Luban, Mon Jan 8 08:35
                    I think Joe probably got his ideas regarding Eusebius and what calendar he used from Burgess--but see Sacha Stern.... more
          • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignMarianne Luban, Mon Jan 1 11:31
            Studying Latin for four years comes in handy once in awhile, so I was able to translate the version of Pseudo-Dionysius from that language to a more or less accurate degree. Here is the relevant... more
            • Re: Amenhotep II and His ReignRobert Killian, Wed Jan 3 04:26
              This post, by Marianne, can be verified mathematically. "Suggestion", for integrating most of this information. Year 000 b.Abram 1948AM, 1813CJ/BC,+131yrs=1944BC. ----------------------+420yrs---... more
            • ErrataMarianne Luban, Tue Jan 2 14:31
              I should make some corrections to my previous post. They are: "[*Obviously, Pseudo-Dionysius got all this from Artapanus [via Euseubius] but knew that the story had to do with that same Amenhotep who ... more
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