Joe Baker
Re: carbon14 ressurrection of David
Fri Mar 23, 2018 09:12
124.178.21.126

Hi Toby

I agree that there are references to David in the Tell Dan and Mesha stelae but not necessarily in the Šašanq Karnak inscription.

Now I think the information about Šašanq taking tribute from Jerusalem in the 5th year of Rehoboam is very accurate - that is the account in 1 Kings 14:25-28, however the account in Chronicles, other than that taken from Kings, is pure fake news.

I view the account in 1 Kings 14:25-28 as being taken from a chronicle that concerned the treasuries of the palace and temple (as were the many other extracts concerning these treasuries). As said, I take it (and the other silmilar extracts) to be very accurate as it is reminiscent of the unbiased truthful type of information found in the Assyrian Chronicles (such as the fragmentary ones of Aššur-reša-iši 1 and Tukulti-apil-Ešarra 1), the Neo-Babylonian Chronicles (from Nabu-naṣir onwards) and the Tyrian Chronicle (as preserved by Josephos and which also provide independent confirmation of Solomon). These are no nonsense accounts of events. Just the facts. Devoid of vainglorious boast of deeds and religious devotion. It is only people, not gods, who are made responsible for the deeds and events. And many times these events are dated by the regnal year of the current king.

The Treasury Chronicle may have been independent of the Judahean Annal (the Spr Dbry hYmym lMlky Yhwdh, that is, The Scroll of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah) mainly because its material was so frequently incorporated into the Book of Kings that there would have been no need for the author to keep referring to it (as he does with the Judahean Annal, from which he merely gives the shortest of summaries, hence the need to tell his readers to go there for a much fuller account).

And the provided date refers to the date of the depletion (or renewal) of the treasuries. Several dated examples (such as the one above) involve a foreign king invading Judah and receiving/taking payment from the treasures. The date is not the date of the invasion, but the date of the depletion (or renewal) of the treasuries (which was its main concern). This is important as, prior to the mid 7th century BC, Judah used an autumn new year and any invasion would have begun in spring/summer. Now, depending on the length of siege, the subsequent surrender to any terms could have happened in the autumn. This was certainly the case when Sin-aḫḫe-eriba invaded in 701.

Regards Joe


  • carbon14 ressurrection of DavidToby, Fri Mar 16 15:13
    It appears archeologists are resurrecting David using Carbon 14 radio-dating, astronomy, and, of course, the old standby 'pottery. David's name appears arguably in 3 inscriptions 1. Dan Tell Stele... more
    • Re: carbon14 ressurrection of David — Joe Baker, Fri Mar 23 09:12
      • Re: carbon14 ressurrection of DavidToby, Wed Apr 11 22:51
        Hello Joe, I'll refrain comments on the Bible part of your posting (not sure where the line is here.) I might be wrong, but I don't think anyone disputes, based on his wall inscriptions, that... more
      • In the 24th (not 14th) year of HezekiahJoe Baker, Tue Apr 10 20:36
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        • In the 14th (not 24th) year of HezekiahToby, Thu Apr 12 01:07
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          • Assyrian Babylonian DatesJoe Baker, Sun Apr 15 18:54
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            • What was Sargon's name?Toby Anderson, Wed Apr 25 23:29
              Hello Joe, You wrote: “Sin-aḫḫe-eriba did name his father as Šarru-ukin in one known inscription, BM 99178 - See page 194 of Eckart Frahm’s “Einleitung in die Sanherib Inschriften” “ I... more
          • In the 14th (not 24th) year of HezekiahToby, Thu Apr 12 01:16
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        • Joe, In your posting, you quote the bible. Yet, you deleted the postings on Nimrod when Rich started looking at the Hebrew. Might you explain the rules? Do you have them posted somewhere? Toby
          • Re: In the 24th (not 14th) year of HezekiahJoe Baker, Thu Apr 12 07:42
            Hi Toby There are no rules other than common sense, but note that this forum is called “The Ancient Near Eastern Chronology Forum” not the The Ancient Near Eastern Mythological Forum” which later... more
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