Anonymous
re: Psusennes I and Solomon
Mon Apr 16, 2018 16:33
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Anonymous wrote:
"This article by Nadav Na'aman may be of interest, as it links King David and Pharaoh Psusennes I: "Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt" (Numbers XIII 22), Vetus Testamentum 31 (1981), pp. 488-492.

Essentially Na'aman holds that Numbers 13:22 records the seven-year difference between when Hebron was built (that is, fortified as a royal city) by David and when Zoan in Egypt was so fortified by Psusennes I. Given that Psusennes ruled from 1047 BC to 1004 BC, this synchronism dates David's accession as King of Judah (in Hebron) to 1047 BC (or Autumn of 1048 BC if allowance is made for the half-year of his reign). The end of David's forty-year reign (seven at Hebron and 33 at Jerusalem) dates Solomon's accession in Jerusalem to 1007 BC. It follows that the daughter of Pharaoh whom Solomon married was the daughter of Psusennes's successor."

Marianne Lubin wrote:
"I find this convincing. Hebron surely existed as a settlement but took on a new significance because David was anointed king there and it was his residence for seven years. There has to be some reason for comparing Hebron chronologically to Tanis--as Hebron has other Biblical significance going back to the burials in the Cave of Machpelah being purchased by Abraham. Tanis, although not mentioned until the time of Dynasty 19, being the capital of the 14th Nome of Lower Egypt, did not become a royal city before Psusennes I, who had so much from the royal city of Ramesses II [whose branch of the Nile had silted up] dragged there."


Anonymous again:
Marianne, you may also find it of interest that Flavius Josephus records an 80-year reign for King Solomon (Jewish Antiquities 8.211). So if the year of Solomon's accession was 1007 BC (as derived from Na'aman's observation) then his death would fall in 927 BC, which year would correspond to the first year of Rehoboam's reign. That would date Rehoboam's fifth year--the year when Shoshenq I looted the temple in Jerusalem--to 923/22 BC. Assuming that Shoshenq died in early 922 BC, the synchronism with Rehoboam would date Shoshenq's raid on Jerusalem to the summer of 923 BC.

And there is another interesting synchronism here. If David began his rule from Hebron in the autumn of 1048 BC shortly after the death of King Saul, then that year, the year of Saul's death, would just about correspond to the time of Pharaoh Amenemnisu's death, which suggests that the death of a pharaoh had permitted the Philistines (one group of the Sea Peoples) to move troops from their southern border with Egypt to confront the Israelites on their eastern border. That extra troop-strength may have tipped the balance of forces against Saul and the Israelites under his command, leading to his death.

Anyway, I just thought it was interesting how Na'aman, Josephus, and the archaeological timeline (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharaohs#Sixteenth_Dynasty) all appear to agree.

Anonymous

  • re: Psusennes I and SolomonMarianne Luban, Sat Apr 14 13:05
    Anonymous wrote: "This article by Nadav Na'aman may be of interest, as it links King David and Pharaoh Psusennes I: "Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt" (Numbers XIII 22), Vetus... more
    • re: Psusennes I and Solomon — Anonymous, Mon Apr 16 16:33
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