Marianne Luban
Bahr Yusuf
Tue May 8, 2018 13:53
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Let's address this in a logical fashion. In ancient Egypt the canal was known as the "mr wr" or "great canal". There is nothing associating the Biblical Joseph with a canal in the Torah or the midrashim reflected in the Book of Jasher. Why would should an important undertaking by the hero be forgotten by the Jews? The Greeks called the natural lake connected to the canal "Moeris", which could reflect the prenomen of Amenemhat III, Nimaare, also known as "Lamares". Or it may have been the Greek rendering of "mr wr". "Bahr Yusuf" is Arabic. The Arabs didn't conquer Egypt until about 700 CE. "Bahr" means "sea". "Nahr" means canal. Now, Artapanus, who was probably a Jew and who lived at Alexandria in the late third or second century BCE, did connect Joseph to agriculture. He implied that Joseph advised the Egyptians on their agriculture, but did not say exactly in what way. All this writer may have been referring to was the storing up of the grain by Joseph against the seven lean years.

So who is this Yusuf the body of water is suddenly associated with after 700 CE? Why would the Arabs recall something the Jews forgot about one of their own patriarchs? Is it written in the Quran? More anon.


https://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/04/opinion/l-separating-joseph-legends-from-history-20576.html

  • re: RohlMarianne Luban, Tue May 8 11:54
    Toby wrote: "Below is my summary" Just briefly: "1. that the Egyptian Chronological timeline moves down. Ramesses II (circa. 1304-1236??? or 12791213???) of the 19th dynasty, instead of being the... more
    • A searchable site this is Anonymous, Tue May 8 15:11
      Marianne wrote in her reply to Toby: "This [the identity of the pharaoh of the exodus] has been discussed many times here. This is a searchable site." Anonymous II here: Yes, this is a searchable... more
      • Re: A searchable site this isMarianne Luban, Wed May 9 09:37
        Anonymous wrote: 'Marianne wrote in her reply to Toby: "This [the identity of the pharaoh of the exodus] has been discussed many times here. This is a searchable site." No, I specifically referred to ... more
        • Re: A searchable site this isAnonymous, Wed May 9 13:08
          In my post I wrote: "Marianne wrote in her reply to Toby: 'This [the identity of the pharaoh of the exodus] has been discussed many times here. This is a searchable site.'" Marianne wrote: "No, I... more
    • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakToby Anderson, Tue May 8 15:08
      Hello Marianne, You wrote: "Equating Ramesses II with Shishak is based on absolutely nothing credible." Sound's like you've studied all the evidence including that presented by Rohl. I request that... more
      • re: Rohl, ramesses and ShishakMarianne Luban, Wed May 9 12:18
        Toby wrote: "Hello Marianne, You wrote: "Equating Ramesses II with Shishak is based on absolutely nothing credible." Sound's like you've studied all the evidence including that presented by Rohl." I... more
        • Rohl Toby, Wed May 9 13:59
          Hello mariAnne I asked you to back up your statement. You made the statement the burden of proof is on you. I would be more than glad to provide the details as to why rohl argues that ramsesses birth ... more
      • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakJon Smyth, Tue May 8 18:31
        "I request that you refute Rohl's evidence in some other manner than just giving your opinion." Toby, the Assyrian chronology demonstrates the inadequacies of Rohl's Egyptian chronology. It was... more
        • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakToby Anderson, Wed May 9 22:13
          Hello Jon, Me (toby): "I request that you refute Rohl's evidence in some other manner than just giving your opinion." Jon: Toby, the Assyrian chronology demonstrates the inadequacies of Rohl's... more
          • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakJon Smyth, Thu May 10 15:40
            Hi Toby, you wrote: "Rohl is not arguing against the synchronisms between Assyria and Egypt. Nor is he arguing for or against the few synchronisms between Assyria and Israel. Rather, he is arguing... more
            • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakToby Anderson, Thu May 10 19:52
              Hi Jon, Toby wrote: "Rohl is not arguing against the synchronisms between Assyria and Egypt. Nor is he arguing for or against the few synchronisms between Assyria and Israel. Rather, he is arguing... more
              • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakJon Smyth, Fri May 11 16:11
                "Rohl is NOT condensing the Egyptian Timeline. You don't understand." Rohl is moving a Late Bronze Age Pharaoh 300 years forward into the Iron Age. I use to be a member of the New Chronology forum, I ... more
                • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakToby Anderson, Fri May 11 23:05
                  Hello Jon, You wrote: "Rohl is moving a Late Bronze Age Pharaoh 300 years forward into the Iron Age." That's what WikiPedia says. Wikipedia also says that Ramesses II died 1213bc. A typical... more
        • Rohl, ramesses and ShishakToby Anderson, Tue May 8 21:18
          Hello Jon, Me: "I request that you refute Rohl's evidence in some other manner than just giving your opinion." You: Toby, the Assyrian chronology demonstrates the inadequacies of Rohl's Egyptian... more
    • Bahr Yusuf — Marianne Luban, Tue May 8 13:53
      • Re: Bahr YusufMarianne Luban, Tue May 8 14:00
        Correction--Eusebius did mention some more detains about the agricultural contributions of Joseph: "(1) Artapanus says, in his book Concerning the Jews, that Joseph was a descendant of Abraham and... more
        • Re: Bahr YusufToby Anderson, Wed May 9 22:05
          I stand corrected about the canal. Toby
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