Toby Anderson
Re: Rohl's details not given in: 'Exodus: pattern of evidenc
Mon May 14, 2018 18:45
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Hello Anonymous,

The J(Y)abin inscription was found at a level and age corresponding to that matching the time of the conquest.

You:
"Jericho; Kenyon's date is ca. 1550 BC. To early for Ramesses. "

agreed that it is way too early for Ramesses. However, Kenyon's date for the Conquest is only a tinie weeny bit early. IMO.

You:
"Shoshenq. This Pharaoh is not the cornerstone. Rather Sothic and Lunar dates of the Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom are, as well as Radiocarbon dating."

Ok. Might you give me a couple specific ones for me to check out?

Also, assuming that you think Shoshenq is the Pharoah mentioned in the Bible, how to you justify the change in spelling, ie. where did the 'n' go?

Also, do you know of a map which shows cities on Shoshenq's campaign into Canaan (based on his famous wall relief)?

One of the cities was Megiddo. This is attested, in addition to his wall relief, by an inscription with his name on it at Migiddo. Which is North of Jerusalem. As are, I understand, the other cities in Sheshonq's campaign. ShishaK's invasion, however, was south of this.


You:
"Merneptah. Israel occupied the Canannite highlands. Is it possible that Mereptah simply attached Israel's Canaanite vassals during the time of the Judges."

If Rohl and others are correct, the cities in the Merneptah stele correspond to the reliefs on the Mortuary Karnak temple. One or more reliefs per city. The 'Israel Relief' pictures the Israelites with Chariots. Israelites didn't have chariots during the time of the judges.

Toby


  • Hi Toby, Re: Rohl, Let's start at the end, point #6. Hazor. First there is a possibility that Yabin in a dynastic name or repeated family name. Note from the book of Judges that Yabin appears later... more
    • Re: Rohl's details not given in: 'Exodus: pattern of evidenc — Toby Anderson, Mon May 14 18:45
      • Hi Toby, I do not think the provenance of the Yabin inscription has been proven to be a MB II destruction layer. That leaves it open to be another Yabin. I have seen enough of Rhol's hasty... more
        • Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Andersonz, Thu May 17 22:24
          Sothic Dates for Egyptian Pharaoh's --- initial findings 5/17/18: I've found 2 Pharoah's which have been dated using Sothic dating. I've looked at 3 'modern' sources. Results: 1. Senwosret III (1878... more
          • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Joe Baker, Fri May 18 23:48
            Hi Toby Could you please stop posting the same message to multiple groups/forums. For example you have posted this “Sothic Dates for Egyptian Pharaoh's” to at least also the NewChronology and the... more
            • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Anderson, Sat May 19 09:12
              Hi Joe, Sure. I don't understand why you want me to stop posting on multiple groups and don't understand why you don't want me to post on Rohl. I've always liked the exchange of ideas.... I'm so... more
              • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Joe Baker, Sun May 20 21:19
                Hi Toby When I started posting to lists some 20 years ago it was common etiquette not to crosspost. As for Rohl. I came across his book “A Test of Time” (paperback edition) back in the mid 1990’s at... more
                • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Anderson, Mon May 21 23:35
                  Greetings Joe, Fascinating background you have. Are the Cambridge Ancient History 'booklets' your favorite read? Thanks for footing the bill to this discussion group. Thoughtful. You might consider... more
          • re: Sothic DatingMarianne Luban, Fri May 18 10:47
            Toby wrote: "I've found 2 Pharoah's which have been dated using Sothic dating. I've looked at 3 'modern' sources. Results: 1. Senwosret III (1878 BC to 1839BC) - 12th Dynasty 2. Amenemhet III (1860... more
        • Sothic DatingMarianne Luban, Tue May 15 09:27
          Anonymous wrote: "Sothic dates. Senuseret II or III. Most go with III ca. 1866 BC. The other date is Amenhotep I, ca. 1550 BC. Radiocarbon dates, I think done after Rohl proposed his theories simply... more
        • Hello Anonymous, Thanks for the leads on the Sothic dates. I'll check into them. Do you have any such leads for the years under discussion? (900bc to 1500bc) Best, Toby
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