Toby Anderson
"Israel is laid Waste"
Mon May 14, 2018 18:54
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Hello Jon,

Me:
"The Merneptah stele, aka 'Israel' stele, written by Merneptah, claims Egypt laid Israel waste. But does Merneptahclaim that he did it? ....or does this stele recount instead, all the victories of both Merneptahand his ancestors. The latter view is held by Rohl, and others."

You:
"It will help an argument if it can be shown that another pharaoh did this. Otherwise, if it is believed that this is only a suggestion without precedent, then it may be seen as special pleading and not taken seriously."

Ramesses, Merneptah's ancestor was likely the Pharoah that laid Israel waste. He has a relief on the Mortuary Temple at Karnak showing that. It has Egyptian and Israelie Chariots in the battle scene. The rest of the reliefs on the temple correspond to the cities on the Merneptah stele. this is the temple where Merneptah stele was found. AS I understand it there were 2 copies of it. It was a poem. It was written on the back side of one of his ancestors.

BTW, I KNOW that according to Conventional Egyptian Chronology, the chariot battle with ISrael couldn't have occured. The only way this relief makes sense is if Rameses lived 250 years later than Conventional Egyptian Chronology. ....that is why Rohl's chronology is called the "New Chronology'.

Toby

  • "Israel is laid Waste"Jon Smyth, Mon May 14 18:41
    "The Merneptah stele, aka 'Israel' stele, written by Merneptah, claims Egypt laid Israel waste. But does Merneptahclaim that he did it? ....or does this stele recount instead, all the victories of... more
    • re: "Israel is laid Waste"Marianne Luban, Tue May 15 10:26
      Jon wrote: "The Merneptah stele, aka 'Israel' stele, written by Merneptah, claims Egypt laid Israel waste. But does Merneptahclaim that he did it? ....or does this stele recount instead, all the... more
      • re: "Israel is laid Waste"Marianne Luban, Tue May 15 11:13
        Faulkner's dictionary is a good place to find where Egyptian words are attested. "fk" is given by Faulkner as "be empty" and the source he gives there is the Leiden Papyrus, "The Admonitions of a... more
        • re: "Israel is laid Waste"Marianne Luban, Tue May 15 11:40
          The Kamose text uses "fkw" in this context, which has been translated as "No man can settle down, when despoiled by the taxes of the Asiatics". [bAkw stiw].
    • "Israel is laid Waste" — Toby Anderson, Mon May 14 18:54
      • "Israel is laid Waste"Jon Smyth, Sun May 20 20:07
        Toby, you wrote: "Ramesses, Merneptah's ancestor was likely the Pharoah that laid Israel waste. He has a relief on the Mortuary Temple at Karnak showing that. It has Egyptian and Israelie Chariots in ... more
        • "Israel is laid Waste"Toby Anderson, Mon May 21 23:06
          Hello Jon Smyth, Thanks for the tips on Yurco etc. I regret to say that I must bow out of this discussion at the request of the list owner who would like this discussion relegated to the New... more
      • "Israel is laid Waste"Marianne Luban, Tue May 15 10:40
        Toby wrote: "BTW, I KNOW that according to Conventional Egyptian Chronology, the chariot battle with ISrael couldn't have occured. The only way this relief makes sense is if Rameses lived 250 years... more
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