Anonymous
Re: Rohl's details not given in: 'Exodus: pattern of evidenc
Tue May 15, 2018 00:14
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Hi Toby,
I do not think the provenance of the Yabin inscription has been proven to be a MB II destruction layer. That leaves it open to be another Yabin. I have seen enough of Rhol's hasty equivocations and 'connections' to distrust them by default. But some of the time he is right, but you have to to go over the primary sources to prove it and not take Rhol's word for it.
A mid 16th century BC date is compatible with Bible chronology. 1 Kings 6:1 is a riddle and not plain text. How do you think Josephus ended up with 612 years between the Exodus and the 4th year of Solomon? Also, I should point out that Edwin Thiele lowered Biblical chronology by 52 years to make it synchronize with the assured results the Assyrian school. Thiele had to contradict several texts in Kings to do it.
Sothic dates. Senuseret II or III. Most go with III ca. 1866 BC. The other date is Amenhotep I, ca. 1550 BC. Radiocarbon dates, I think done after Rohl proposed his theories simply confirm the conventional chronology.
Spelling. This is not a problem for any scholar. Just study how Egyptian king names got translated into Greek from Manetho via Josephus and Africanus and Eusebius. You will see that names are never exactly the same when translated. And sometimes they are garbled so far that we cannot even figure out which king was meant. For example Cushan Rishthaim in Judges is the same king as the sealand king Burna Buriash. Amraphel in Gen. 14 is the same as Amar-Sin, III dynasty of UR.
Shoshenq's relief has to be considered part self glorification propaganda and part historical. Whatever it is, it is not the basis of claiming he came up against Jerusalem. The Kings passage is along with his name and the fact that relative chronologies line up.
I did not say Merneptah attacked Israel. I said Israel's Canaanite vassals:

5th year Sele "Israel is laid waste, his [grain] seed is not." other dates given are 1207, 1218. James Henry Breasted makes it clear from multiple references that "seed" means crops or grain and not offspring. The meaning then is clear. The Pharoah is claiming to have pillaged or burnt Israeli crops adjacent to the hill country in south western Galilee on his track toward Tyre. (EXPLORATION AND DISCOVERY James Henry Breasted. The University of Chicago. THE ISRAEL TABLET. [Extracted from The Biblical World, Vol. 9, No. 1 (Jan., 1897), pp. 62-68.]). My take on this is that Elon the Zebulunite was the Judge at the time and their terriory was the easternmost side of the valley of Jezreel. Zebulun inhabited the highlands to the east. However, Israel was sovereign at the time, and they no doubt had trading deals with the Canaanites in valley on the trade route, as well as tribute collecting arrangements. Merenptah's scribe knew that an attack on the Jezreel crops was an attack on Israel's crops, even though the blow was more severe on the Canaanites allied to them. The scribe therefore does a pun on Israel/Jezereel, which sound similar, and that is about as much boasting against Israel as Egypt dared to do. For many hundreds of years after the Exodus they avoided offending the Almighty of Israel knowing what had happened in Egypt. Not even during the Amrna period was Egypt willing to take an active hand against Israel. The Pharoah's tried to be neutral in conflicts involving the Hapiru.




  • Hello Anonymous, The J(Y)abin inscription was found at a level and age corresponding to that matching the time of the conquest. You: "Jericho; Kenyon's date is ca. 1550 BC. To early for Ramesses. "... more
    • Re: Rohl's details not given in: 'Exodus: pattern of evidenc — Anonymous, Tue May 15 00:14
      • Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Andersonz, Thu May 17 22:24
        Sothic Dates for Egyptian Pharaoh's --- initial findings 5/17/18: I've found 2 Pharoah's which have been dated using Sothic dating. I've looked at 3 'modern' sources. Results: 1. Senwosret III (1878... more
        • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Joe Baker, Fri May 18 23:48
          Hi Toby Could you please stop posting the same message to multiple groups/forums. For example you have posted this “Sothic Dates for Egyptian Pharaoh's” to at least also the NewChronology and the... more
          • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Anderson, Sat May 19 09:12
            Hi Joe, Sure. I don't understand why you want me to stop posting on multiple groups and don't understand why you don't want me to post on Rohl. I've always liked the exchange of ideas.... I'm so... more
            • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Joe Baker, Sun May 20 21:19
              Hi Toby When I started posting to lists some 20 years ago it was common etiquette not to crosspost. As for Rohl. I came across his book “A Test of Time” (paperback edition) back in the mid 1990’s at... more
              • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Anderson, Mon May 21 23:35
                Greetings Joe, Fascinating background you have. Are the Cambridge Ancient History 'booklets' your favorite read? Thanks for footing the bill to this discussion group. Thoughtful. You might consider... more
        • re: Sothic DatingMarianne Luban, Fri May 18 10:47
          Toby wrote: "I've found 2 Pharoah's which have been dated using Sothic dating. I've looked at 3 'modern' sources. Results: 1. Senwosret III (1878 BC to 1839BC) - 12th Dynasty 2. Amenemhet III (1860... more
      • Sothic DatingMarianne Luban, Tue May 15 09:27
        Anonymous wrote: "Sothic dates. Senuseret II or III. Most go with III ca. 1866 BC. The other date is Amenhotep I, ca. 1550 BC. Radiocarbon dates, I think done after Rohl proposed his theories simply... more
      • Hello Anonymous, Thanks for the leads on the Sothic dates. I'll check into them. Do you have any such leads for the years under discussion? (900bc to 1500bc) Best, Toby
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