Marianne Luban
The Correction of Syncellus
Tue May 15, 2018 13:07
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Somewhere in remote antiquity, there must have been a source [perhaps the original Book of Jasher] that said something like this: "In the time of Amos, king of Egypt, Moses went forth from Egypt into the land of Kush." However, somewhere along the line, this was probably abbreviated to ""In the time of Amos, king of Egypt, Moses went forth from Egypt," leading some writers, like Africanus, to say this.

It was at this point that Syncellus the Monk jumped in and wrote, as a commentary to this text "But, according to the present calculation, it follows that in this reign Moses was still young." By this he meant "Moses cannot have been 80 years old", as he thought Africanus meant this was when the lawgiver led the Hebrews on an exodus from Egypt.

But, if Moses was still young, where did he go? Josephus and Artapanus believed it was to the land of Kush. The former makes it clear that Moses went there at the behest of the pharaoh, on official business and not as a form of punishment. Moses was the leader of the Egyptian army and returned victorious. This he did not get from the Book of Numbers, where it is written that the siblings of Moses were angry because their brother had brought with him a Kushite wife.

None of this confusion, of course, is helped by a text in the tomb of an old soldier, Ahmose son of Abana, which claims Ahmose I drove out the Hyksos--which people automatically equate with the Jews. But that same tomb text states that, right after the Asiatics were driven to Sharuhen, Ahmose was forced to go south on account of rebellious Nubians. So this king fought on both fronts.

Eusebius, who copied Africanus quite a bit, saw no reason to believe that Moses led an exodus at the time of Ahmose. He had in mind a different pharaoh, "Cencheres"--although Syncellus pointed out that others did not agree with him. He might have meant those who thought "Tethmosis" was the Pharaoh of the Exodus--such as Manetho. Theophilus, a follower of Manetho, asserted this and so did Josephus in his account of the Polluted Ones. It must not be forgotten that Josephus was by very far the earliest writer to refer to Manetho--especially compared to the early church fathers.

    • Re: The Correction of SyncellusAnonymous, Mon May 21 15:28
      Marianne begins her post with: "Somewhere in remote antiquity, there must have been a source...that said something like....somewhere along the line...this was probably abbreviated...." Then Marianne... more
      • Re: The Correction of SyncellusMarianne Luban, Mon May 21 20:25
        I can't take anyone who doesn't have the courage to write under his own name very seriously at all but.. Anonymous: "Anonymous here: IMHO, Marianne has offered speculations about speculations leading ... more
        • Tired of the Games HereMarianne Luban, Tue May 22 10:03
          I use my own name on this forum because 1) I Have nothing to hide 2) I stand behind everything I say 3) I am not ashamed for my thoughts to be seen on this forum under my own *real* name. There used... more
          • Re: Tired of the Games HereAnonymous, Tue May 22 17:06
            Sorry to disappoint you, Marrianne, but I have not provided ad hominem fodder/information on purpose. You see, I made that decision after a certain "Tory Thorpe" posted derogatory and insulting barbs ... more
            • Re: Tired of the Games HereTory, Sat Jun 9 05:08
              Why is my name being mentioned? Tory Thorpe only returns insults he never initiates them. My record is clear. Regards, Tory Thorpe
            • Re: Tired of the Games HereMarianne Luban, Wed May 23 10:00
              Nemo Nobody wrote: "Lastly, I am not sure why Moses is so important to chronology. In my estimation the Israelites made their exodus out of Egypt all right, but it was the Lower Egypt ruled by the... more
            • Re: Tired of the Games HereMarianne Luban, Tue May 22 21:33
              Nemo Nobody wrote: "Now, what I see from your replies is that you seem to lose your way in the difference between what an ancient scholar/chronographer believed to be so and what was actually so in... more
              • Re: Tired of the Games HereAnonymous, Sat May 26 13:07
                I wrote: "Now, what I see from your replies is that you seem to lose your way in the difference between what an ancient scholar/chronographer believed to be so and what was actually so in reality."... more
                • Re: Tired of the Games HereKim Sargerson, Sun May 27 23:06
                  Dear Anonymous II I know what you mean about the ad hominem attacks because I have experienced it myself - I have even just been the victim of one (by Marianne) apparently for the crime of not... more
                  • Re: Tired of the Games HereMarianne Luban, Mon May 28 10:12
                    Kim wrote: "I know what you mean about the ad hominem attacks because I have experienced it myself" Oh, boo hoo. What about your own attacks? Oh, right. You're a guy. That's your privilege. Women... more
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