Toby Andersonz
Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?
Thu May 17, 2018 22:24
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Sothic Dates for Egyptian Pharaoh's
--- initial findings

5/17/18: I've found 2 Pharoah's which have been dated using Sothic dating.
I've looked at 3 'modern' sources.

Results:

1. Senwosret III (1878 BC to 1839BC) - 12th Dynasty
2. Amenemhet III (1860 BCE to c. 1814 BCE) - 12th Dynasty

Below my signature, is the data,
Toby

"Sothic Dates of Senwosret III and Amenemhet III
Both instances of Peret Sepdet in IV Peret in the Ulahun archive — but
without specification of the day — are datable to Amenemhet III. "
-- p448, Rolf Krauss, 'Ancient Egyptian Chronology', 2006

"If around 1500 BC the rising of Sothis was observable at the southern
border of Egypt on July 10 (or 11) and at Diospolis inferior on July
19 (Jul), then the rising on III Shemu 9 in 9 Amenhotep I referred
to any of the years between ca. 1549 BC (July 19/18; Diospolis infe-
rior) and ca. 1517 (July 10/11; Elephantine). If the rising dates were
schematically determined, then III Shemu 9 in 9 Amenhotep I referred
to any of the years from ca. 1541 BC (July 17; Diospolis inferior) to
1509/1506 BC (July 9; Elephantine). Thus the Ebers Sothic date can-
not be earlier than ca. 1549 BC and not later than 1506 BC. Recentiy
Kitchen argued on the basis of historical reasoning that Amenhotep I
reigned from 1515 to 1494 BC, 69 implying that year 9 corresponded
to 1507/06 BC.(fn) If so, the Ebers Sothic date must be understood as
schematically determined with geographical reference to Egypt's south-
ern border.
fn: K. A. Kitchen, Acta Archeologica 67 (1996), 12. "
-- pg. 452 ROLF KRAUSS, 'Ancient Egyptian Chronology', 2006


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    • Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl? — Toby Andersonz, Thu May 17 22:24
      • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Joe Baker, Fri May 18 23:48
        Hi Toby Could you please stop posting the same message to multiple groups/forums. For example you have posted this “Sothic Dates for Egyptian Pharaoh's” to at least also the NewChronology and the... more
        • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Anderson, Sat May 19 09:12
          Hi Joe, Sure. I don't understand why you want me to stop posting on multiple groups and don't understand why you don't want me to post on Rohl. I've always liked the exchange of ideas.... I'm so... more
          • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Joe Baker, Sun May 20 21:19
            Hi Toby When I started posting to lists some 20 years ago it was common etiquette not to crosspost. As for Rohl. I came across his book “A Test of Time” (paperback edition) back in the mid 1990’s at... more
            • Re: Does Sotthic Dating disprove Rohl?Toby Anderson, Mon May 21 23:35
              Greetings Joe, Fascinating background you have. Are the Cambridge Ancient History 'booklets' your favorite read? Thanks for footing the bill to this discussion group. Thoughtful. You might consider... more
      • re: Sothic DatingMarianne Luban, Fri May 18 10:47
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