Toby Charles Anderson
Jericho dating with Pottery and Scarabs
Wed Jun 13, 2018 16:16
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Hello all,

The fall of Jericho is dated using 2 different means, namely:
1. the scarabs found in the tombs:
2. Late Bronze I pottery found:
---a. alongside the scarabs in the tomb
---b. inside the city proper

Anonymous, you concluded that since the graveyard was not in the city, then it couldn't really be used to date the city (Jericho).

I disagree. Isn't much of Egyptian chronology determined from finds in the pharoah tombs which were somewhat distant from their respective cities?

Nonetheless, there is a link between the city and the tomb. There is Late Bronze I pottery in the tombs which match pottery in the city.

Garstang published reports/drawings of his pottery finds. However, Kenyan never analyzed the pottery she found in the city, and her details on her pottery finds were never published until after her death.

"Kenyon died in 1978 without living to see the final publication of her excavation of the tell. Her conclusions were reported only in a popular book published the year before she completed her fieldwork,15 in a series of preliminary reports16 and in scattered articles. The detailed evidence, however, was never supplied. This became available only in 1982 and 1983 when two volumes on pottery excavated from the tell were published.17 This, together with the stratigraphic data from the excavation, published in 1981,18 makes it possible to perform an independent assessment of Kenyon’s conclusions. ... But they merely present the raw data (of the pottery), with no analysis or comment."
....Bryant G. Woods, PHD http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/05/Did-the-Israelites-Conquer-Jericho-A-New-Look-at-the-Archaeological-Evidence.aspx

Later on in this same article, and giving a few examples, Dr Woods states:

"To anyone familiar with Bronze Age pottery it will be obvious that these forms are from the Late Bronze I period and not the Middle Bronze Age."

Again, I repeat that this Late Bronze I period pottery was not only found in the city, but in the tombs along with the Egyptian Scarabs.

It is a double-edged sword used to date the fall of Jericho using 2 different means.

Toby

Toby

  • JerichoToby Anderson, Thu May 31 21:36
    Summary of Jericho archeology “Recent Discoveries that prove the Bible – digging up the truth” by Bryant G. Wood PHD, director of research Associates for Biblical Research, his specialty is Canaanite ... more
    • Jericho dating with Pottery and Scarabs — Toby Charles Anderson, Wed Jun 13 16:16
      • Re: Jericho dating with Pottery and ScarabsAnonymous, Fri Jun 15 21:41
        //I disagree. Isn't much of Egyptian chronology determined from finds in the pharoah tombs which were somewhat distant from their respective cities?// Actually figuring which Egyptian city level... more
    • re: JerichoRich McQuillen, Sun Jun 3 23:43
      So the reason we are discussing Jericho... is that the archaeology says no city existed from 1550BC-1100BC... So there was no city for Joshua to conquer. If there are scarabs of pharoahs here, then... more
      • re: JerichoToby Anderson, Mon Jun 4 23:17
        Hello Rich, You: "....archaeology says no city existed from 1550BC-1100BC" Only 1 archeologist says that, who ignored the Egyptian Scarabs containing 3 pharoahs who lived during the earlier part of... more
        • re: JerichoAnonymous, Tue Jun 12 00:40
          https://books.google.com/books?id=c_tDCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Garstang+middle+building+scarabs&source=bl&ots=F5x6Pfzd5-&sig=RUYOjjihQeYfoqYyAa3bacSZeVQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju__jfs83bAhWs64MKHbv... more
          • re: JerichoToby Charles Anderson, Wed Jun 13 15:51
            Hello Anonymous, After giving the link to a page in a book, you concluded. You wrote: "The scarabs come from an administrative palace built later. But there was no city there." That is NOT what your... more
            • re: JerichoAnonymous, Fri Jun 15 09:49
              Toby: My trivial mistake, already conceeded, changes nothing. The necropolis is a separate site from the city. A curse was put on rebuilding the city, but not on continued use of the necropolis. So... more
          • re: JerichoAnonymous, Tue Jun 12 15:50
            Pardon my error. The scarabs came from the Necropolis, which is not the city. //From the pottery and scarabs found at the necropolis, Garstang concluded that its use was continuous from the third... more
          • re: JerichoMarianne Luban, Tue Jun 12 11:43
            Anonymous wrote: "The scarabs come from an administrative palace built later. But there was no city there." I am of the opinion that "Anonymous" is nothing more than a trolling sock-puppet, who... more
        • re: JerichoRich McQuillen, Mon Jun 11 22:34
          "Why did you ignore the scarabs in your posting." -- Toby "If there are scarabs of pharoahs here, then the 1550BC date turns into 1435BC." -- me -- We're in agreement, the scarabs are absolute. I... more
          • re: minor date correctionRich McQuillen, Sun Jun 17 12:27
            "If there are scarabs of pharoahs here, then the 1550BC date turns into 1435BC." -- me I misread Amenhotep ii instead of 3. Amenhotep 2 would have ended in 1435BC. I have Amenhotep 3 ending around... more
          • JerichoToby Charles Anderson, Wed Jun 13 15:55
            "Why did you ignore the scarabs in your posting." -- Toby "If there are scarabs of pharoahs here, then the 1550BC date turns into 1435BC." -- Rich -- We're in agreement, the scarabs are absolute. I... more
          • re: JerichoMarianne Luban, Tue Jun 12 12:02
            Rich wrote: "-- We're in agreement, the scarabs are absolute." They are absolute in that they provide a terminus for scarabs among the burials--that terminus being the reign of Amenhotep III.... more
    • Jericho Carbon DatingToby Anderson, Fri Jun 1 19:08
      Greetings, In the Jericho section of Wiki's page on Dr Bryant Wood, it argues against Wood's dating based on Radio Carbon dating which it refers to 8 times. It however totally leaves out, IMO, Wood's ... more
      • Re: Jericho Carbon DatingAnonymous, Tue Jun 5 12:21
        Toby, Here's something you might consider as you evaluate the radiocarbon dates you cite: Manning et al, Fluctuating radiocarbon offsets observed in the southern Levant and implications for... more
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