Marianne Luban
Re: Dynasty 15
Fri Aug 17, 2018 09:46
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Another intriguing aspect of this is that the people of the Aegean, who were displaced by the eruption [or series of eruptions, whatever the case really was] must have had a presence in Egypt by the time Ahmose became king at Thebes. And somehow he became connected to these islanders and his mother, too. The Minoan-style griffon on the pharaoh's ceremonial axe is not there for nothing. In a text, the mother of Ahmose is called "the mistress of the islanders of the sea" even though she was a princess of Dynasty 17. Also, the mummy thought to be that of Ahmose is uncircumcised, which is typical of the west but certainly not the Egyptians. Rather odd. The era to which Bietak ended up assigning the stratum at Avaris with the Minoan frescoes has never sat right with me.


Between 1627 and 1567, the start of the reign of Ahmose, there are 60 years--and this interval can perhaps be shortened to 33 years. Does it make sense that Kamose vanquished Apepi and, within a few years, the islanders ended up in Egypt and took over Avaris, which Kamose claimed was empty? That way, Khamudi does not succeed Apepi without an interval and, within those 33 years, Ahmose decided he had to go--but this time was allied with the islanders whom Khamudi had alienated.

  • Re: Dynasty 15Marianne Luban, Wed Aug 15 15:23
    Joe wrote: "At that time I was trying to create enough years to place Khyan before and/or at the time of the Thera eruption (as at Knossos his cartouche is on an alabaster lid found in an... more
    • Re: Dynasty 15 — Marianne Luban, Fri Aug 17 09:46
      • re: Dynasty 15Jon Smyth, Sat Aug 18 08:44
        "In a text, the mother of Ahmose is called "the mistress of the islanders of the sea" even though she was a princess of Dynasty 17." The "islanders" in this context refer to the gezirah's in the... more
        • re: AahotepRich McQuillen, Sat Aug 18 10:44
          "In a text, the mother of Ahmose is called "the mistress of the islanders of the sea" even though she was a princess of Dynasty 17." -- I have a source for a similar statement for this from Bietak.... more
        • re: Dynasty 15Marianne Luban, Sat Aug 18 09:36
          Jon Smyth wrote: ""In a text, the mother of Ahmose is called "the mistress of the islanders of the sea" even though she was a princess of Dynasty 17." The "islanders" in this context refer to the... more
          • Wadj-wr (again)......was re: 15 Dynasty.Jon Smyth, Mon Aug 20 17:22
            Marianne Luban wrote: "We have been over this more than once and I am sure your take on this is not correct." Yes, I recall some years ago. At that time I believe I urged you to obtain a copy of... more
            • Wadj-wr for the last timeMarianne Luban, Tue Aug 21 10:06
              Jon Wrote: Marianne Luban wrote: "We have been over this more than once and I am sure your take on this is not correct." "Yes, I recall some years ago. At that time I believe I urged you to obtain a... more
              • re: wadj wrJon Smyth, Sun Sep 2 15:40
                My apologies, I missed the last paragraph. Marianne Luban wrote: Another great philologist, Dr. Rainer Hannig, whose German language Egyptian dictionary is the one Egyptologists use [I have it right... more
              • re: wadj wrRich McQuillen, Tue Aug 21 17:57
                "as the Nile when it flows to the sea". Glyphs: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/w%EA%9C%A3%E1%B8%8F-wr I asked my linguist friend if he had an opinion on it. He said the "wadj" is instead "Wetsi", or... more
                • re: wadj wrMarianne Luban, Wed Aug 22 09:54
                  Rich wrote: "as the Nile when it flows to the sea". Glyphs: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/w%EA%9C%A3%E1%B8%8F-wr I asked my linguist friend if he had an opinion on it. He said the "wadj" is instead... more
                  • re: wadj wrJon Smyth, Sun Sep 2 15:31
                    Marianne Luban wrote: "wAD wr" is mostly translated as "great green" due to the greenish color of the waters of the Mediterranean. This has always been a weak argument, even the Egyptians represented ... more
          • re: Dynasty 15Marianne Luban, Sat Aug 18 09:55
            Here are some images of Minoans in Egypt. I do not, however, agree with the dates of James Thomas. https://medium.com/the-bronze-age/the-wandering-tribes-of-the-aegean-96ff9703ce3c
      • Re: Dynasty 15Robert Killian, Sat Aug 18 03:46
        Marianne, In my 'Chronicle': Ac. Shamshi-Adad 2078AM, + 33 =2111AM, OR 1792BC, 1781BC. Ac.Hammurabi 2100AM, + 42 = 2142AM, OR 1792BC, 2142AM, 1750BC. Ac. Tao II 2334AM, + 4 = 2342AM, OR 1558BC,... more
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