Jon Smyth
re: Dynasty 15
Sat Aug 18, 2018 08:44
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"In a text, the mother of Ahmose is called "the mistress of the islanders of the sea" even though she was a princess of Dynasty 17."

The "islanders" in this context refer to the gezirah's in the extremities of the Delta. These "islanders", in later texts, from Ramesses III down to Piankhi, are identified as "Northerners" (mHtj/mHtt).
"Northerners making a conspiracy in their isles", or "the northerners are restless", all refers to these foreign occupants of gezirah's (isles/islands) within the Delta.

That they were foreigners (Foreign lands) from various parts of the Mediterranean is likely to be expected. So yes, these occupants of the Delta islands will no doubt have included Aegeans, but also Libyans in the west and Asiatics in the east.
This is why the titulary of most Phraoahs claim dominion over these troublesome "foreign lands", in the eyes of Pharaoh these islands were subject to Egypt.
The ceremonial griffon on the axe is likely symbolic of this assumed dominion.

Jon Smyth




  • Re: Dynasty 15Marianne Luban, Fri Aug 17 09:46
    Another intriguing aspect of this is that the people of the Aegean, who were displaced by the eruption [or series of eruptions, whatever the case really was] must have had a presence in Egypt by the... more
    • re: Dynasty 15 — Jon Smyth, Sat Aug 18 08:44
      • re: AahotepRich McQuillen, Sat Aug 18 10:44
        "In a text, the mother of Ahmose is called "the mistress of the islanders of the sea" even though she was a princess of Dynasty 17." -- I have a source for a similar statement for this from Bietak.... more
      • re: Dynasty 15Marianne Luban, Sat Aug 18 09:36
        Jon Smyth wrote: ""In a text, the mother of Ahmose is called "the mistress of the islanders of the sea" even though she was a princess of Dynasty 17." The "islanders" in this context refer to the... more
        • Wadj-wr (again)......was re: 15 Dynasty.Jon Smyth, Mon Aug 20 17:22
          Marianne Luban wrote: "We have been over this more than once and I am sure your take on this is not correct." Yes, I recall some years ago. At that time I believe I urged you to obtain a copy of... more
          • Wadj-wr for the last timeMarianne Luban, Tue Aug 21 10:06
            Jon Wrote: Marianne Luban wrote: "We have been over this more than once and I am sure your take on this is not correct." "Yes, I recall some years ago. At that time I believe I urged you to obtain a... more
            • re: wadj wrJon Smyth, Sun Sep 2 15:40
              My apologies, I missed the last paragraph. Marianne Luban wrote: Another great philologist, Dr. Rainer Hannig, whose German language Egyptian dictionary is the one Egyptologists use [I have it right... more
            • re: wadj wrRich McQuillen, Tue Aug 21 17:57
              "as the Nile when it flows to the sea". Glyphs: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/w%EA%9C%A3%E1%B8%8F-wr I asked my linguist friend if he had an opinion on it. He said the "wadj" is instead "Wetsi", or... more
              • re: wadj wrMarianne Luban, Wed Aug 22 09:54
                Rich wrote: "as the Nile when it flows to the sea". Glyphs: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/w%EA%9C%A3%E1%B8%8F-wr I asked my linguist friend if he had an opinion on it. He said the "wadj" is instead... more
                • re: wadj wrJon Smyth, Sun Sep 2 15:31
                  Marianne Luban wrote: "wAD wr" is mostly translated as "great green" due to the greenish color of the waters of the Mediterranean. This has always been a weak argument, even the Egyptians represented ... more
        • re: Dynasty 15Marianne Luban, Sat Aug 18 09:55
          Here are some images of Minoans in Egypt. I do not, however, agree with the dates of James Thomas. https://medium.com/the-bronze-age/the-wandering-tribes-of-the-aegean-96ff9703ce3c
    • Re: Dynasty 15Robert Killian, Sat Aug 18 03:46
      Marianne, In my 'Chronicle': Ac. Shamshi-Adad 2078AM, + 33 =2111AM, OR 1792BC, 1781BC. Ac.Hammurabi 2100AM, + 42 = 2142AM, OR 1792BC, 2142AM, 1750BC. Ac. Tao II 2334AM, + 4 = 2342AM, OR 1558BC,... more
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