Marianne Luban
re: Kinglist of Eratosthenes
Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:41
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Sorry to rain on your parade, Rich, but the kinglist of Eratosthenes can only be deciphered by someone who knows the Egyptian language--for obvious reasons.

1. Menes [first on everybody's list]

2. Athothes "Born of Hermes" must be Hor-aha or
Menes duplicated

3. Athothes II----Horus Djer

4. "Miabaes" or "bull lover" is Merpiba [mr-pA-biA]

5. Is a king called Shemsu-Heru-shefi or "Semempses",
which means "descendant of Heracles". "Smsw" means
"follower" but can also have the meaning of
"descendant", as in "sA Smsw" or "crown prince",
literally "the son who follows".

6. Momchieri means "leader of men" or "Hry-rmT" [head of
the people]. The two elements are reversed and, in
Egyptian pronunciation, where there is an /m/ the
consonant before it often gets turned into an /m/.
too. That's why "mn-nfr" becomes "Memphis" or
Nemtyemsaf of Dynasty 6 becomes "Methusuphis",
leaving off the initial /n/ altogether. This
"Momchieri" had exceedingly large limbs and was
therefore Qai-aa", one of the names of Semer-kht,
interpreted as "qaH aA", meaning " big shoulder".
Perhaps the writer saw him as a kind of Atlas.


So you see, Rich, this list is very tricky and deals in
secondary names of kings as well as prenomina. One has to know Egyptian to understand what is meant and also the eccentricities of Egyptian pronunciation.

  • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesRich McQuillen, Wed Aug 22 18:16
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    • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesRobert Killian, Fri Aug 24 08:43
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    • re: Kinglist of Eratosthenes — Marianne Luban, Thu Aug 23 10:41
    • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesRich McQuillen, Wed Aug 22 19:21
      It's possible that #1 Menes was instead: Amenemnisu and #38 Amouthartaios was instead Teos. Sistoikhermes for Amasis is a guess, that should have been red. That could have been PsamtikII.
      • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesMarianne Luban, Thu Aug 23 11:35
        Rich wrote: "It's possible that #1 Menes was instead: Amenemnisu and #38 Amouthartaios was instead Teos. Sistoikhermes for Amasis is a guess, that should have been red. That could have been... more
        • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesRich McQuillen, Fri Aug 24 00:05
          Hi Maryanne, Thanks for the comments... and I appreciate any collaboration. This list has baffling experts for a long time... so it's a little bit fun for me too. On collaboration, you know, I don't... more
          • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesMarianne Luban, Fri Aug 24 10:12
            Rich wrote: "Hi Maryanne, Thanks for the comments... and I appreciate any collaboration. This list has baffling experts for a long time.." Not a chance, Rich. No collaboration. You and I do not view... more
        • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesMarianne Luban, Thu Aug 23 11:58
          I wrote: "The only fragment that really interests me is Fr. 40 because it seems to indicate what men of the early days of Egyptology believed--and that is that Siptah came before Seti II--instead of... more
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