Marianne Luban
re: Kinglist of Eratosthenes
Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:35
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Rich wrote:

"It's possible that #1 Menes was instead: Amenemnisu
and #38 Amouthartaios was instead Teos.
Sistoikhermes for Amasis is a guess, that should have been red. That could have been PsamtikII."


No. The list begins with Dynasty 1--but that doesn't mean it's a faithful kinglist. "Amyrtaeus" appears there in Fr.33 and is correctly called "gift of Ammun"or "imn-rdit", indicating the man still known as Amyrtaeus of Sais of Dynasty 28. Eratosthenes has him as a king of Thebes--but he was not. He is directly followed by "Uosimaares" which the author thought meant "Mighty is the Sun" [wsr-mi-ra] but we know the name really means "mighty is the justice of Ra" or "wsr-mAat-ra", truly a New Kingdom prenomen much seen at Thebes. After him comes "Sethinilus" or "s-Tni-irw-wr", which really does more or less mean "increasing his ancestral power"--but I don't know which ruler is meant.


As you can see, I have been working on this list, too, and it is fun--but nothing to take too seriously. Actually, I did that quite a long time ago and don't even remember all my findings. The only fragment that really interests me is Fr. 40 because it seems to indicate what men of the early
days of Egyptology believed--and that is that Siptah came before Seti II--instead of vice versa, which is the present consensus. "Siphthas, also called Hermes" is at #36 and, at #37, is "Phruoro", which sounded to someone like a word for the Nile but which is probably "UserkhePRWRA" the prenomen of Seti II. This king is given 5 years--not far off the mark from the known 6--and Siptah is also assigned 5, although 6 are assigned him, as well, by Egyptology.

The next king, for some unknown reason, is called "Amuthartaeus" and is assigned 63 years. Strange, because "Amuthartaeus" is possibly "Hm-nTr-tpy" or "high priest".

  • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesRich McQuillen, Wed Aug 22 19:21
    It's possible that #1 Menes was instead: Amenemnisu and #38 Amouthartaios was instead Teos. Sistoikhermes for Amasis is a guess, that should have been red. That could have been PsamtikII.
    • re: Kinglist of Eratosthenes — Marianne Luban, Thu Aug 23 11:35
      • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesRich McQuillen, Fri Aug 24 00:05
        Hi Maryanne, Thanks for the comments... and I appreciate any collaboration. This list has baffling experts for a long time... so it's a little bit fun for me too. On collaboration, you know, I don't... more
        • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesMarianne Luban, Fri Aug 24 10:12
          Rich wrote: "Hi Maryanne, Thanks for the comments... and I appreciate any collaboration. This list has baffling experts for a long time.." Not a chance, Rich. No collaboration. You and I do not view... more
      • re: Kinglist of EratosthenesMarianne Luban, Thu Aug 23 11:58
        I wrote: "The only fragment that really interests me is Fr. 40 because it seems to indicate what men of the early days of Egyptology believed--and that is that Siptah came before Seti II--instead of... more
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