Marianne Luban
Thutmose III Decrees It Must Be May
Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:09
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Joe wrote:

"It is actually 20/I mw which corresponds with an ex pected non-sighting of the old crescent on 8 May 1457 (Low Chronology). This 1 day difference is also reflected in the other usual chronologies. So in the High Chronology, 21/I mw/23 corresponds to Julian 16 May 1482 but psḏntyw would have fallen on 15 May, a day earlier. In the Middle Chronology, 21/I mw/23 corresponds to Julian 12 May 1468 but psḏntyw would have fallen on 11 May, a day earlier. I suspect that this was the real reason why Parker accepted an emendment of 21 to 20."

I just want to take a moment to point out what a lucky text this is. It is like that king's scribe, Djaneni, was telling people of the future "This is how it was in Year 23 of Menkheperre, here are your clues", effectively preventing anyone from successfully proposing a radical chronology. As I said, I'm sure the Egyptians came for the wheat. In fact, their arrival was calculated to be able to harvest it, themselves, because if the Canaanites had time to do it, they would be able to withstand a longer siege. There must have been a problem with the harvest in Egypt, perhaps a low Nile or maybe two. The annals of Thutmose III claim more than 300 princes were rebellious toward him and he resolved to battle them, but they had never bothered Hatshepsut and she was a woman. I feel this was just an excuse to take the wheat of the Canaanites and the Egyptians certainly did. Important for our purposes is that the winter wheat ripens in Canaan at a predictable time--May. Any chronology that doesn't allow it to be May at this time in Year 23 is no good. And, due to the wandering Civil Calendar, I Smw will not always be in Julian May--far from it. For example, a mere 100 years into the future, during the reign of Dynasty 19, a new Sothic Cycle would begin and the calendric months in their ideal position vis a vis the three naturally-occurring seasons of Egypt, I Smw would encompass part Of Julian June. The flood would really arrive in calendric Akhet and, of course, Sothis would be sighted in I Akhet.


However, in the reign of Thutmose III, the heliacal rising of the star would be visible in III Smw--and so it was recorded on a stela that does not name him but has been assigned to his era on stylistic grounds. III Smw Day 28. meaning that the sighting has moved forward by 76 years from Year 9 of Amenhotep I, the last concordance. So the critics of that concordance are wrong. Sirius was where this text said it was on Day 9 of III Smw. It makes sense that, in a long reign like that of Thutmose III, so many years can have gone by. By the end of the reign of Amenhotep I, the sighting can only have advanced to Day 12 of III Smw with what I have calculated to be 16 years for interim rulers until the advent of Menkheperre. In fact, his duration is fortunate in clues. Another text on the obelisk of Hatshepsut proves that it was finished in time to be floated downstream to Thebes on the high Nile, as a heavy object needed the optimal amount of water. And the river would have been pretty high in the month given in the obelisk text--written at a time when the civil calendar and astronomical indices were not yet perfectly aligned again--but lagging only a month behind. This also assisted with my calculations for the time required for the interim rulers, whose durations have been uncertain.

  • Re: Egyptian Leap YearJoe Baker, Sun Nov 25 06:47
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    • Thutmose III Decrees It Must Be May — Marianne Luban, Wed Nov 28 10:09
    • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Mon Nov 26 11:15
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      • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 3 11:05
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        • Re: Egyptian Leap YearJoe Baker, Wed Dec 5 00:58
          Hi Marianne So now that you have found an Egyptian day 1 psḏntyw festival, do you still hold that the celebration mentioned at Megiddo was a purely Canaanite celebration? If so bear in mind... more
          • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Wed Dec 5 16:13
            Joe Baker: "So now that you have found an Egyptian day 1 psḏntyw festival, do you still hold that the celebration mentioned at Megiddo was a purely Canaanite celebration? If so bear in mind... more
            • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Wed Dec 5 16:19
              Actually, to be more precise, (ḫd) means "month"--the course of the phases of the moon.
              • ḥdJoe Baker, Mon Jan 7 06:44
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      • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Mon Nov 26 14:45
        Here are the Hebrew months and the number of days they contain: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/jewish-calendar.html
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