Marianne Luban
Re: Egyptian Leap Year
Wed Dec 5, 2018 16:13
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Joe Baker:

"So now that you have found an Egyptian day 1 psḏntyw festival, do you still hold that the celebration mentioned at Megiddo was a purely Canaanite celebration? If so bear in mind that, from what we know about the Canaanites, their emphasis was on the evening sighting of new crescent (ḫd) not the dawn non-sighting of the old crescent."

Where did you get this? "Rosh Chodesh" doesn't now and didn't then have anything to do with a crescent. "Rosh Chodesh" is the "no moon"--zero visibility--beginning in the evening of the zero visibility and continuing on to the next day. Every festival still follows the same pattern. And "(ḫd)" just means "moon" in Semitic. The term for "crescent moon" is different.


Joe:
" Normally one might expect that, in the Egyptian calendar, the earliest (and most common) sighting of the new crescent would occur on the evening of Egyptian day 2, a day that began with the morning and which the Egyptians called tp ꜣbd, the head of the month (new crescent. (If not sighted on this evening it would be seen on the evening of Egyptian day 3 which they called mspr, arrival).
So if your interpretation is correct than the phrase refers to an otherwise unknown Canaanite festival that contradicts what we know about the calendar of the Canaanites."


Nothing you have written refers to the psDntiw or the festival of Rosh Chodesh. Your knowledge of the "calendar of the Canaanites" cannot be correct. Unless you think the Hebrews came from a faraway planet, they either had to adopt the ways of the Egyptians, in whose country they had lived for centuries, or the Canaanites. If the Egyptians reckoned their day as starting at dawn, then obviously the Hebrews didn't adopt that. You are all making too much out of the fact that Thutmose III rose early on the day the siege of Megiddo was to begin. When should he have arisen on such an important day? I don't know how many times I have to say that this undertaking had been carefully planned. A man doesn't get the reputation of being a great conqueror by leaving things to chance. Even thought I found mention of a "Hb n psDntiw" in TT39 whereupon the deceased expected an increased portion of offerings, that still doesn't shed much light on any particulars of the commemoration of the day. Obviously, it wasn't that much of a holiday in the mind of King Thutmose III for the Egyptians as he certainly didn't plan for anything for himself and the army except the siege of a Canaanite city--business as usual.

  • Re: Egyptian Leap YearJoe Baker, Wed Dec 5 00:58
    Hi Marianne So now that you have found an Egyptian day 1 psḏntyw festival, do you still hold that the celebration mentioned at Megiddo was a purely Canaanite celebration? If so bear in mind... more
    • Re: Egyptian Leap Year — Marianne Luban, Wed Dec 5 16:13
      • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Wed Dec 5 16:19
        Actually, to be more precise, (ḫd) means "month"--the course of the phases of the moon.
        • ḥdJoe Baker, Mon Jan 7 06:44
          Hi Marianne Actually, to be more precise, (ḫd) means "month"--the course of the phases of the moon The normal Semitic word for month derives from the root wrḫ , hence Akkadian... more
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