Toby Charles Anderson
New Moon in 23 Thutmose III at Megiddo
Fri Dec 14, 2018 17:27
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Hello Joe,

I am just now replying to your New Moon, Thutmose III, year 23, battle at Megiddo postings as I have just finished expanding my Excel Egyptian daily calendar back to around 2200bc.

You:
"It is actually 20/I mw which corresponds with an expected non-sighting of the old crescent on 8 May 1457 (Low Chronology). This 1 day difference is also reflected in the other usual chronologies. So in the High Chronology, 21/I mw/23 corresponds to Julian 16 May 1482 but psḏntyw would have fallen on 15 May, a day earlier. In the Middle Chronology, 21/I mw/23 corresponds to Julian 12 May 1468 but psḏntyw would have fallen on 11 May, a day earlier. I suspect that this was the real reason why Parker accepted an emendment of 21 to 20."

Particularly notice:

"21/I mw/23 corresponds to Julian 16 May 1482 but psḏntyw would have fallen on 15 May, a day earlier."

I have some very preliminary remarks.

I hope to create 2 tables, each 20 or so years long, one containing the Julian dates of the New Moons near 21 I SMW (23 Thutmose III) and II Peret 30 (24 Thutmose III).... then elliminate the ones which don't jive.

This posting examines the Julian date for 21 I Smw proffered by you and that of Gerard Gertoux.

Joe Baker's date

May 16, -1482 (Julian)
falls on
14 I SMW
per my Excel Calendar. And would err by 7 days from
21 I SMW.

Gerard Gertoux's date

See: page 9 "The Akhenaten's reign: an egyptological delirium!" dates 21 I Smw to:
May 8, 1450 BCE (-1449 Julian)

Gertoux reckons this year to -1449 (Julian). FWIW, he uses 3 astronomical dates to locate Thutmose III in the chronological table of years.

Lunar Day 1 is reckoned to the 1st visible cresent of the waxing moon,and I know you disagree with this, and I really do not wish to argue the point anymore.

From Hebron in the SkyViewCafe online planetarium, this new moon falls on
May 24, -1449
My Excel Egyptian Calendar equates this to:
30 I Smw
Thus giving a 6 day error.

Toby's preliminary date:

New Moon per the SkyViewCafe: May 16, -1451 (Julian).
= 22 I SMW per my Excel Egyptian Calendar
So it be off by one day, which is certainly within tolerance of the Egyptian Calendar's design.

Best,
Toby

  • Re: Egyptian Leap YearJoe Baker, Sun Nov 25 06:47
    Hi Toby From my last post I want to correct the following paragraph The date 21/I mw/23 corresponds with the expected non-sighting of the old crescent on 8 May 1457 (Gregorian 25 Apr 1547), for on... more
    • New Moon in 23 Thutmose III at Megiddo — Toby Charles Anderson, Fri Dec 14 17:27
      • Re: New Moon in 23 Thutmose III at MegiddoAnonymous, Sun Dec 16 21:43
        Hello, I've had a chance to develop my original and preliminary posting. Gerard Gertoux (starting on pg 4, Gerard Gertoux "THE AKHENATEN'S REIGN: AN EGYPTOLOGICAL DELIRIUM") dates Thumose III using... more
    • Thutmose III Decrees It Must Be MayMarianne Luban, Wed Nov 28 10:09
      Joe wrote: "It is actually 20/I mw which corresponds with an ex pected non-sighting of the old crescent on 8 May 1457 (Low Chronology). This 1 day difference is also reflected in the other usual... more
    • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Mon Nov 26 11:15
      Joe wrote: "Just my thought on the statement that the day of the battle was the same as the exact day of psḏntyw. This only make sense if the previous day had been the 29th day of the lunar... more
      • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 3 11:05
        I accidentally found proof that the Egyptians commemorated a "Hb n psDntiw" at home--although I still have no idea why other than it was the sign of a new month. This was while I was studying the... more
        • Re: Egyptian Leap YearJoe Baker, Wed Dec 5 00:58
          Hi Marianne So now that you have found an Egyptian day 1 psḏntyw festival, do you still hold that the celebration mentioned at Megiddo was a purely Canaanite celebration? If so bear in mind... more
          • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Wed Dec 5 16:13
            Joe Baker: "So now that you have found an Egyptian day 1 psḏntyw festival, do you still hold that the celebration mentioned at Megiddo was a purely Canaanite celebration? If so bear in mind... more
            • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Wed Dec 5 16:19
              Actually, to be more precise, (ḫd) means "month"--the course of the phases of the moon.
              • ḥdJoe Baker, Mon Jan 7 06:44
                Hi Marianne Actually, to be more precise, (ḫd) means "month"--the course of the phases of the moon The normal Semitic word for month derives from the root wrḫ , hence Akkadian... more
                • Respectable Dr./ Joe, before you finalize your conclusion please consider the following : 1. In an edition of Genesis we find : [1:1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth,... more
                • Few Comments on ḥd/ḥdṯ PostWaael Zak, Sun Jan 13 19:19
                  Thanks Dr./ Joe for the well-clarified information on the ḥd/ḥdṯ topic. Here are a few comments on this helpful post of yours : 1. Initially, allover the Near East, the days-count... more
      • Re: Egyptian Leap YearMarianne Luban, Mon Nov 26 14:45
        Here are the Hebrew months and the number of days they contain: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/jewish-calendar.html
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