Toby Charles Anderson
Herodotus' Sabacon and Sethon
Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:58
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Hello Jaap,

Me thinks Herodotus is not so mixed up as you espouse.
I'll address your 2 main arguments that Herodotus is mixed up, to wit:

1. YOUR CLAIM HERODOTUS' GENERIC USE OF SABACON
2. THE ETHIOPIAN'S 50 YEARS

The latter point is so important, that I'll address it in a separate posting.

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YOUR CLAIM HERODOTUS' GENERIC USE OF SABACON
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Without more evidence, I don't think Herodotus' use of Sabacon is a generic term to describe all Kushite Kings.

First because in the same context, Herodotus refers to a second Kushite king named Sethos.

Hdt. 2.141.1 The next king was the priest of Hephaestus whose name was Sethos

Sabacon is the first king, Sethos is the second king.
This is true regardless as to whether or not we can identify who each of them were.

Secondly, the word "Sabacon" is not just used by Herodotus, it was unquestionably used by Manetho who lived one century AFTER Herodotus. Manetho used 'Sabacon' to refer to a specific Kushite king! This 'fact' is born out by 3 fragments and two witnesses Africanus and Eusibius. It is used by manetho in fragment 66 (Syncellus/Africanus); fragment 67a (Syncellus/Eusebius); and Fragment 67b (Armeniun version of Eusebius).

Do you have any other evidence?
Does anyone else believe this theory?


  • Taharqa, age 20, co-reign with ShabatakaJaap Titulaer, Fri Aug 9 18:17
    Hi Toby, >> What does Herodotus mean by this? >> Were there 2 invasions? >> or Was there 1 invasion? Two. Herodotus mixes it all up. He calls all Kushite kings Sabacon and had him reign for 50... more
    • Herodotus' Sabacon and Sethon — Toby Charles Anderson, Sat Aug 10 10:58
      • Herodotus aJaap Titulaer, Sat Aug 10 12:25
        Hi Toby, Yes Khan came to essentially the same conclusion. (This was before the reversal of the order of Shabaka & Shabataka.)... more
        • re: herodotusToby Charles Anderson, Mon Aug 12 12:46
          Hi Jaap, Thanks for the lead to Khan regarding Sabacon standing for all Kushite kings. IMHO, I reject this, 1. firstly as there seems to be too much correlation between the names of Shabako/Shabaqo... more
    • Taharqa, age 20, co-reign with ShabatakaJaap Titulaer, Fri Aug 9 18:21
      >> Shabaka is certainly also the son-in-law of Taharqa Ahum, Shabaka was brother-in-law of Taharqa, not son-in-law. Harran Tablets Vs. 70-71 [Onasch, Die Assyrischen Eroberungen Ägyptens, I, 108.]:... more
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