Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo again
Wed Jul 2, 2003 07:34
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Hi all

Well-ll-ll, so Fred is investigating a reversal of Shabaka/Shabataka and seems to be quite enthusiastic about it (he has announced it here and on the NC list). And using many of the arguments I have used over the past year, Back then he rejected them, but now... It came as a surprise to me for up until then I had been sitting on the fence and playing devil's advocate (It was Jean-Fred who originally gave me the idea that the pair maybe reversed). (I liked the idea because it could push back the reign of Piankhy and so create an overlap between Piankhy's campaign and Tiglathpileser's Palestinian campaigns of 734-732 wherein there is no hint of Egyptian opposition, indeed a mere sheikh is set to guard the border).And just as I was thinking that this possible synchronism should be abandoned and I should revert back to the conventional chronology, he comes out with his reversal and adds several new ideas to support it.

So let's continue the idea that they are reversed (but still dropping the possible synchronism of Piankhy and Tiglathpileser's campaigns - currently I think things will work better if I drop it). Anyway back on 3 Sep 2002 I gave a possible genealogy and with Ian's recent post on the subject I again submit it but with the addition of Abar, Khensu and Qalhata.

    +-----------------+------------------+
    |                 |                  |
  ALARA = Kasqu    KASHTA              = ?            = Pabatma
    |   |            |                 |              |
    |   |          +-+------+          |         +----+-------+
    |   |          |        |          |         |            |
    |  Tabiry = PIANKHY = Khensu    = Abar   = Peksater   AMENIRDIS 1
    |              |                |
    |       +------+---+------------|-------------------------+
    |       |          |            |                         |
  Arty = SHABATAKA     |            |                    SHEPENUPET 
            |          |            |
            |          |         TAHARQA
            |          |            |
          SHABAKA = Qalhata      +--+------------------------+
            |     |              |                           |
            |     |           ATLERNSA                   AMENIRDIS 2
            |     |
     Istemkheb = TANTAMANI

Regards Joe


  • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo againAnonymous, Mon Jun 30 16:02
    Hi Ian! I tried to write to you earlier, but your server appears to systematically refuse anything I send to it. Anyway, I've asked Leo to forward the message (about JEA 88 and a very short PS on... more
    • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo again — Joe Baker, Wed Jul 2 07:34
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        • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo againIan, Wed Jul 2 22:31
          Dear Chris, Shoshenq (Shu-sa-an-qu) was the son-in-law or brother-in-law (hatna sharri) of Sin-ahhe-eriba, but almost certainly in Nineveh, rather than Egypt. He stood as witness to a real estate... more
          • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo againChris, Thu Jul 3 08:38
            ian -- Thanks for the additional information onn this Shoshenq. Re the conclusion that 711 is a TPQ, I have the source on order through ILL and will let you know, but you may well be right. Chris
      • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo. Try it again JoeJoe Baker, Wed Jul 2 07:40
        Hi all Well-ll-ll, so Fred is investigating a reversal of Shabaka/Shabataka and seems to be quite enthusiastic about it (he has announced it here and on the NC list). And using many of the arguments... more
        • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo and RudamunJoe Baker, Wed Jul 2 07:52
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          • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo and RudamunIan, Wed Jul 2 18:59
            Hi Joe, I am afraid the objections to your genealogy are far more serious than that. Not only is Shepenupet II not a sister of Shabaqo (she is the sister of Taharqo because she is the daughter of his ... more
    • Re: Shabaqo-Shebitqo againIan, Mon Jun 30 20:04
      Hi Jean-Fred, Try my imladjov@yahoo.com address for future correspondence, I do not know why umich does not like your server. You wrote: "The group of stelae from some year 4 (Shoshenq V according to ... more
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