Marianne Luban
Re: No co-regency--Amenhotep and Akhnaten
Sat Jan 22, 2005 21:47
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I may have missed something--who is the vizier Amenhotep? I assume you are referring to Amenhotep son of Hapu? Three viziers? I don't know about this. Ramose had his tomb at Thebes, not Saqqara. Had he been the Memphite or northern vizier, he would have been more likely to be interred there.
Aper-el? Exactly how he fits into the picture cannot be known. Perhaps he never served Amenhotep III at all--just Akhenaten. Alain Zivie published the tomb--but in French. Ramose can have taken over where Amenhotep son of Hapu left off. I don't think it's necessary to believe that men were viziers until they died. The infirmity of old age may have made it necessary for Amenhotep to step down.

Then there is the problem of the age of Queen Tiye. See my comments at http://www.geocities.com/scribelist/tiye.doc
on that. But exactly what constitutes kingship in Egypt? Throughout the various periods of Egyptian history, there were people who had prenomina and yet still reigned contemporaneously. It is becoming increasingly accepted that the 20th Dynasty contains such difficulties. I will tell you what the biggest stumbling block for a lengthy co-regency is for me. The graffito at the Wadi Hammamat from Year 4 of Amenhotep IV that indicates the First Prophet of Amun was in the quarries. Can one imagine a higher ranking person in an Egyptian penal colony? Or that a mere co-regent had the clout to send him there?

  • re:No co-regency - Amenhotep and AkhnatenJoe Baker, Fri Jan 21 19:29
    Hi Kim Here are some answers I would supply to your "devil's advocate" position. "a) stylistic observations regarding the tomb of the vizier Ramose - he has both standard NK style and later Amarna... more
    • Re: No co-regency--Amenhotep and Akhnaten — Marianne Luban, Sat Jan 22 21:47
      • Vizier AmenhotepAndrew Gordon, Tue Jun 28 20:46
        The vizier Amenhotep is not to be confused with the Son of Hapu. See my article in MDAIK 39 (1983), 71-80 Where I was able to identify his tomb at Thebes. Andrew Gordon
        • Vizier AmenhotepKim, Fri Jul 1 02:45
          Dear Andrew Many thanks for your comment (and indeed for identifying the tomb!!). I think our original discussion got bogged down in too many Amunhoteps i.e. the steward at Memphis; the son of Hapu;... more
          • vizier AmenhotepAnonymous, Fri Nov 18 12:40
            Hello, I have a little question. Do you know the exact number of the Theban tomb of vizier Amenhotep Huy.In my book The Amarna Age by Frederick J. Giles they didn't mentioned the number, they only... more
            • Re: vizier AmenhotepAnonymous, Fri Dec 2 08:52
              Hello, Terri Thanks for the information, Rozette
            • Re: vizier AmenhotepTerry E, Sat Nov 19 03:18
              Dear Rozette, You can find both the tomb of Amenemhat Surer and the tomb of Amenhotep Huy (described as King's Son of Kush, not vizier. I don't know if this was the same person) on the tomb list at:... more
    • Hi Joe (and anyone else) 1) Ramose: he was once thought to be northern vizier in succession to Amunhotep. The fact that Amunhotep is shown at the endowment of the mortuary temple of Amuhotep son of... more
      • re:No co-regency - Amenhotep and AkhnatenJoe Baker, Mon Jan 24 04:01
        Hi Kim The round trip, Memphis-Washshukani-Memphis is some 2500 kilometres. About the same distance as the Persian royal road from Sardis to Susa, which Herodotos reports took 3 months to travel -... more
        • Dear Joe, I agree with your points generally, and concede that it could have taken 12 months or more for the various trips. I do not agree about your suggestion that AIV was in Thebes, to pad out the ... more
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