Marianne Luban
All Roads Lead to 1570 BC
Wed Feb 13, 2008 23:55
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In his "Chronicle of the Pharaohs", Peter Clayton has the 18th Dynasty starting like this:

Ahmose I 1570-1546 24 yrs [Josephus gives 25 yrs, 4 mos.]

Amenhotep I 1551-1524 27 years [Clayton doesn't explain why he thinks A I had 5 concurrent yrs. with his father.]

Thutmose I 1524-1518 6 yrs

Thutmose II 1518-1504 14 yrs [Clayton doesn't mention how he figure all those yrs. for T II!]

T III 1504-1450 [Evidently, Clayton also wants Year 23 of T III to be 1482.]

Anyway, as you can see, my plan also works back to 1570 as being the starting point for Ahmose I, but I don't put the burden of the years prior to T III on T II. I just don't think it's feasible.

  • Re: Senenmut's CeilingMarianne Luban, Wed Feb 13 19:47
    Nope. 1534 BC is probably the year of the birth of Hatshepsut, herself, if that southern sky has been correctly interpreted. It can work out. Look: 1534 Year of the birth of Hatshepsut 1534 minus 16... more
    • Re: Senenmut's CeilingGeorge R., Thu Feb 14 10:39
      Hi, Marianne. You wrote: 1534 BC is probably the year of the birth of Hatshepsut, herself, if that southern sky has been correctly interpreted. It can work out. Look: 1534 Year of the birth of... more
      • Re: Senenmut's CeilingMarianne Luban, Fri Feb 15 20:14
        GR: Thanks for that explanation. You begin with the hypothesis that "1534 [is the] Year of the birth of Hatshepsut." I still don't see why Senenmut would construct an astronomical ceiling in one of... more
    • All Roads Lead to 1570 BC — Marianne Luban, Wed Feb 13 23:55
      • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCTory, Thu Feb 14 02:28
        We have the eruption of Thera in 1613 BCE, an inscription from the reign of Ahmose I seemingly recording its after effects, and Theran pumice in 18th dynasty strata. If the ceiling is a snapshot of... more
        • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCMarianne Luban, Thu Feb 14 09:05
          Not everyone is in agreement that the "Tempest Stela" of Ahmose I records the eruption of the Theran volcano. [See Allen] I used to argue for that, but I'm not so sure now. And you know where Bietak... more
          • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCTory, Thu Feb 14 09:53
            Good points. I guess if Senenmut had to consult records, as opposed to being an eyewitness of the "event" in 1534, the value of the astronomical ceiling is diminished. For the "snapshot" could be of... more
            • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCGeorge R., Thu Feb 14 10:52
              Hi Tory. You quote some interesting dates for Thutmose III. I'm using this reference for the "Annals of Thutmose III": "The Sacred Books and Early Literature of the East," Prof. Charles F. Horne. New ... more
              • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCTory, Thu Feb 14 11:05
                Hi George, My mistake. Not III-Shemu 9, but I-Shemu 4. This is from an inscription on the 7th pylon, Karnak. Regards, Tory
                • Hatshepsut's Heb-sedMarianne Luban, Thu Feb 14 13:42
                  I wrote: 1534 BC is probably the year of the birth of Hatshepsut, herself, if that southern sky has been correctly interpreted. It can work out. Look: 1534 Year of the birth of Hatshepsut 1534 minus... more
                  • Astronomical DatingTerry E, Fri Feb 15 05:31
                    Dear Marianne, I freely confess my ignorance of things celestial as far as ancient chronology is concerned. But I also confess my great scepticism about this whole subject. I appreciate the... more
                    • Re: Astronomical DatingMarianne Luban, Fri Feb 15 16:54
                      TE: I freely confess my ignorance of things celestial as far as ancient chronology is concerned. But I also confess my great scepticism about this whole subject. I appreciate the attraction of trying ... more
                  • Re: Hatshepsut's Heb-sedTory, Thu Feb 14 17:24
                    Yes, that is 'no moon' at dawn on II-Peret 30 in 1530 BCE (8-Mar Julian), and 'no moon' at dawn on I-Shemu 21 in 1532 BCE (28-May Julian). Regards, Tory
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