Tory
Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BC
Thu Feb 14, 2008 02:28
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We have the eruption of Thera in 1613 BCE, an inscription from the reign of Ahmose I seemingly recording its after effects, and Theran pumice in 18th dynasty strata. If the ceiling is a snapshot of the southern sky in the year 1534, during the lifetime of Senenmut, may it not date to any year of Hatshepsut? How would Senenmut know to retrocalculate the position of stars and planets many decades earlier?

Regards,
Tory

  • All Roads Lead to 1570 BCMarianne Luban, Wed Feb 13 23:55
    In his "Chronicle of the Pharaohs", Peter Clayton has the 18th Dynasty starting like this: Ahmose I 1570-1546 24 yrs [Josephus gives 25 yrs, 4 mos.] Amenhotep I 1551-1524 27 years [Clayton doesn't... more
    • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BC — Tory, Thu Feb 14 02:28
      • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCMarianne Luban, Thu Feb 14 09:05
        Not everyone is in agreement that the "Tempest Stela" of Ahmose I records the eruption of the Theran volcano. [See Allen] I used to argue for that, but I'm not so sure now. And you know where Bietak... more
        • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCTory, Thu Feb 14 09:53
          Good points. I guess if Senenmut had to consult records, as opposed to being an eyewitness of the "event" in 1534, the value of the astronomical ceiling is diminished. For the "snapshot" could be of... more
          • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCGeorge R., Thu Feb 14 10:52
            Hi Tory. You quote some interesting dates for Thutmose III. I'm using this reference for the "Annals of Thutmose III": "The Sacred Books and Early Literature of the East," Prof. Charles F. Horne. New ... more
            • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCTory, Thu Feb 14 11:05
              Hi George, My mistake. Not III-Shemu 9, but I-Shemu 4. This is from an inscription on the 7th pylon, Karnak. Regards, Tory
              • Hatshepsut's Heb-sedMarianne Luban, Thu Feb 14 13:42
                I wrote: 1534 BC is probably the year of the birth of Hatshepsut, herself, if that southern sky has been correctly interpreted. It can work out. Look: 1534 Year of the birth of Hatshepsut 1534 minus... more
                • Astronomical DatingTerry E, Fri Feb 15 05:31
                  Dear Marianne, I freely confess my ignorance of things celestial as far as ancient chronology is concerned. But I also confess my great scepticism about this whole subject. I appreciate the... more
                  • Re: Astronomical DatingMarianne Luban, Fri Feb 15 16:54
                    TE: I freely confess my ignorance of things celestial as far as ancient chronology is concerned. But I also confess my great scepticism about this whole subject. I appreciate the attraction of trying ... more
                    • Re: Astronomical DatingTerry E, Sat Feb 16 04:29
                      Dear Marianne, Thank you for your comments. First an apology: I did not intend my post to be a blast at you or your chronological views although I realise on re-reading it why you think I might have... more
                    • Astronomical DatingDavid Rice, Sat Feb 16 01:54
                      > Marianne (or others) -- do you have a convenient list of these at hand? -- David Rice
                • Re: Hatshepsut's Heb-sedTory, Thu Feb 14 17:24
                  Yes, that is 'no moon' at dawn on II-Peret 30 in 1530 BCE (8-Mar Julian), and 'no moon' at dawn on I-Shemu 21 in 1532 BCE (28-May Julian). Regards, Tory
                  • V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesMarianne Luban, Sun Feb 17 05:52
                    Another conjunction and date from the very interesting Von Spaeth: http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap1_en.asp
                    • Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesTory, Sun Feb 17 06:51
                      So Moshe, born according to Spaeth in 1534, was the historical Senenmut. It seems like that is where Spaeth is headed from what little of his website I have read? There is at least one orthodox rabbi ... more
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