Not everyone is in agreement that the "Tempest Stela" of Ahmose I records the eruption of the Theran volcano. [See Allen] I used to argue for that, but I'm not so sure now. And you know where Bietak places the event. Senenmut would have had to consult records, which more than one ancient historian claimed the Egyptians kept of the heavenly positions. If the ceiling reflects a date, it would have had to be a significant one. But the New Moon data can't be ignored, either. Here, once again, are the possible dates. They can only occur in increments of 25 years.
1507 1482 1457
Senenmut's is the prototype of the astronomical ceilings. I don't believe there was anything "random" about it. If you want to ask "how did Senenmut" know the positions of the heavenly bodies, then you'll have to ask "how would anyone", the artist who painted the ceiling. Was that artist an astronomer? The thing was obviously executed according to a plan. Same goes for the northern sky. I like to draw, paint, but I'll be damned if I could execute an astronomical ceiling--unless someone with better knowledge mapped one out for me.
But, if you can do something with those New Moon dates that can lead back to 1613, feel free. But you'll have to take all the data into consideration, including mummified remains. I did.
We have the eruption of Thera in 1613 BCE, an inscription from the reign of Ahmose I seemingly recording its after effects, and Theran pumice in 18th dynasty strata. If the ceiling is a snapshot of... more
Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BC Marianne Luban,Thu Feb 14 09:05
Good points. I guess if Senenmut had to consult records, as opposed to being an eyewitness of the "event" in 1534, the value of the astronomical ceiling is diminished. For the "snapshot" could be of... more
Hi Tory. You quote some interesting dates for Thutmose III. I'm using this reference for the "Annals of Thutmose III": "The Sacred Books and Early Literature of the East," Prof. Charles F. Horne. New ... more
I wrote: 1534 BC is probably the year of the birth of Hatshepsut, herself, if that southern sky has been correctly interpreted. It can work out. Look: 1534 Year of the birth of Hatshepsut 1534 minus... more
TE: I freely confess my ignorance of things celestial as far as ancient chronology is concerned. But I also confess my great scepticism about this whole subject. I appreciate the attraction of trying ... more
Dear Marianne, Thank you for your comments. First an apology: I did not intend my post to be a blast at you or your chronological views although I realise on re-reading it why you think I might have... more
Hello, all -- a different subject just for a moment. There are different views about the dates on which Sabbath years were kept after the exile. Some conclude that a Sabbath commenced in 38 bc,... more
So Moshe, born according to Spaeth in 1534, was the historical Senenmut. It seems like that is where Spaeth is headed from what little of his website I have read? There is at least one orthodox rabbi ... more
Tory: So Moshe, born according to Spaeth in 1534, was the historical Senenmut. It seems like that is where Spaeth is headed from what little of his website I have read? There is at least one orthodox ... more