Tory
Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BC
Thu Feb 14, 2008 09:53
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Good points. I guess if Senenmut had to consult records, as opposed to being an eyewitness of the "event" in 1534, the value of the astronomical ceiling is diminished. For the "snapshot" could be of some special day long before Senenmut or his contemporaries were born. Without something to fix the day to the lifetime of Senenmut, an advocate of the standard accession date of 1479 for Tut III will see no reason to re-date anything. For New Moon dates, there are more possibilities that allow the Egyptian chronology to agree with a 17th century eruption. I know Bietak is not part of the team of scientists who have dated the eruption scientifically. Skyview Café and Civil 4 show that psDntyw on II-Peret 30 fell on 8-Mar in 1530 BCE (Julian) = Year 24 Tut III in my chronology. In Year 23 psDntyw fell on I-Shemu 21 fell on 28-May, 1532 BCE. Accession on III-Shemu 9.

Regards,
Tory

  • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCMarianne Luban, Thu Feb 14 09:05
    Not everyone is in agreement that the "Tempest Stela" of Ahmose I records the eruption of the Theran volcano. [See Allen] I used to argue for that, but I'm not so sure now. And you know where Bietak... more
    • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BC — Tory, Thu Feb 14 09:53
      • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCGeorge R., Thu Feb 14 10:52
        Hi Tory. You quote some interesting dates for Thutmose III. I'm using this reference for the "Annals of Thutmose III": "The Sacred Books and Early Literature of the East," Prof. Charles F. Horne. New ... more
        • Re: All Roads Lead to 1570 BCTory, Thu Feb 14 11:05
          Hi George, My mistake. Not III-Shemu 9, but I-Shemu 4. This is from an inscription on the 7th pylon, Karnak. Regards, Tory
          • Hatshepsut's Heb-sedMarianne Luban, Thu Feb 14 13:42
            I wrote: 1534 BC is probably the year of the birth of Hatshepsut, herself, if that southern sky has been correctly interpreted. It can work out. Look: 1534 Year of the birth of Hatshepsut 1534 minus... more
            • Astronomical DatingTerry E, Fri Feb 15 05:31
              Dear Marianne, I freely confess my ignorance of things celestial as far as ancient chronology is concerned. But I also confess my great scepticism about this whole subject. I appreciate the... more
              • Re: Astronomical DatingMarianne Luban, Fri Feb 15 16:54
                TE: I freely confess my ignorance of things celestial as far as ancient chronology is concerned. But I also confess my great scepticism about this whole subject. I appreciate the attraction of trying ... more
                • Re: Astronomical DatingTerry E, Sat Feb 16 04:29
                  Dear Marianne, Thank you for your comments. First an apology: I did not intend my post to be a blast at you or your chronological views although I realise on re-reading it why you think I might have... more
                • Astronomical DatingDavid Rice, Sat Feb 16 01:54
                  > Marianne (or others) -- do you have a convenient list of these at hand? -- David Rice
                  • Post Exhilic Sabbath YearsDavid Rice, Sun Feb 17 00:09
                    Hello, all -- a different subject just for a moment. There are different views about the dates on which Sabbath years were kept after the exile. Some conclude that a Sabbath commenced in 38 bc,... more
                    • Post-Exilic Sabbath YearsTory, Sun Feb 17 10:27
                      Hi David, We need to know for certain the dates of Ezra's and Nehemiah's activity and which Persian kings they served. There is no explicit statement linking the public reading of the Torah by Ezra,... more
                    • Post-Exilic Sabbath YearsTory, Sun Feb 17 10:25
                      Hi David, We need to know for certain the dates of Ezra's and Nehemiah's activity and which Persian kings they served. There is no explicit statement linking the public reading of the Torah by Ezra,... more
            • Re: Hatshepsut's Heb-sedTory, Thu Feb 14 17:24
              Yes, that is 'no moon' at dawn on II-Peret 30 in 1530 BCE (8-Mar Julian), and 'no moon' at dawn on I-Shemu 21 in 1532 BCE (28-May Julian). Regards, Tory
              • V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesMarianne Luban, Sun Feb 17 05:52
                Another conjunction and date from the very interesting Von Spaeth: http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap1_en.asp
                • Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesTory, Sun Feb 17 06:51
                  So Moshe, born according to Spaeth in 1534, was the historical Senenmut. It seems like that is where Spaeth is headed from what little of his website I have read? There is at least one orthodox rabbi ... more
                  • Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesMarianne Luban, Sun Feb 17 09:38
                    Tory: So Moshe, born according to Spaeth in 1534, was the historical Senenmut. It seems like that is where Spaeth is headed from what little of his website I have read? There is at least one orthodox ... more
                    • Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesMarianne Luban, Sun Feb 17 10:34
                      Oh--and BTW, in my own work, "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt" [2003] I also proposed Senenmut as a candidate for... more
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