Marianne Luban
Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of Moses
Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:34
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Oh--and BTW, in my own work, "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt" [2003] I also proposed Senenmut as a candidate for "Moses"--but that was before I'd ever heard of von Spaeth or became rather convinced that a certain mummy from the Deir el Bahari royal cache "Unknown Man C" might be Senenmut [originally proposed by someone else, not me]. The mummy is Senenmut, then no Moses. Senenmut, in that case, died right where he was born--which was at Armant, near Thebes. For more oddity, Arthur Weigall, famed antiquities guy in Egypt in the early part of the 20th Century, claimed the tradition in the Armant of his time was that Moses *had* been born there. However, ancient historians vow that he was a "prince of Heliopolis" or a priest there [ancient "iwnw", the "On" of the Bible]. Heliopolis is a very long ride from Thebes. Another ancient writer maintained the original name of Moses should have been "Yoachim" or "God has raised". This he may have obtained from another author of antiquity who claimed the original name of Moses was "Tisithen", an obscure Egyptian moniker, the first element of which can only be "Tsi", meaning "raise". Well...you know...strange things happen with all this. If Senenmut was a Hebrew--what is his name translated into that language? "Achim" of course! sn n[y] mwt means "brother of Mut" [the goddess] but the name Mut merely means "mother". It's the word for mother and there is no other in the Egyptian language. Just to illustrate how the actual pronunciation of Egyptian differed from how it was written and how we transliterate it, the way Senenmut's name should have been spoken was something like "Sonnymao".

  • Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesMarianne Luban, Sun Feb 17 09:38
    Tory: So Moshe, born according to Spaeth in 1534, was the historical Senenmut. It seems like that is where Spaeth is headed from what little of his website I have read? There is at least one orthodox ... more
    • Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of Moses — Marianne Luban, Sun Feb 17 10:34
      • Re: V. Spaeth and the Birth of MosesMarianne Luban, Sun Feb 17 22:29
        You know, this is pretty wild. That date for the birth of Moses works out every time. The Torah says that Moses didn't return to Egypt until he was 80 "because all who had sought his life were dead". ... more
        • But, as usual--disagreement even in antiquityMarianne Luban, Tue Feb 19 06:14
          Naturally, wouldn't you know that some ancient authors, like Eusebius and Artapanus failed to believe that the Hebrews left Egypt 430 years after they had arrived--and that's one of the reasons... more
          • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityCullom, Tue Feb 19 19:50
            Hello Marianne, Your comments are very interesting and informative. I think the church historians engaged in a bit of historical revision for political as well as religious reasons. It might have... more
            • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityMarianne Luban, Tue Feb 19 23:55
              Cullom: I think the church historians engaged in a bit of historical revision for political as well as religious reasons. It might have seemed preferrable to have Moses and God best a famous king of... more
              • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityCullom, Wed Feb 20 18:23
                Hello Marianne, Do you know of any king besides Ahmose and Amenhotep I during the period in question who was succeeded by a son-in-law? I suppose Thutmosis II was succeeded by a son-in-law since his... more
                • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityAnonymous, Fri Feb 22 02:02
                  Cullom: Do you know of any king besides Ahmose and Amenhotep I during the period in question who was succeeded by a son-in-law? ML: Nope. And Ahmose was succeeded by a son. Cullom: I suppose... more
                  • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityMarianne Luban, Fri Feb 22 02:13
                    Oops--pressed some wrong button. Hatshepsut, her Speos Artemidos inscription, says the "Aamu" were ensconced at Avaris "with vagabonds among them". Now, the Aamu were realistically depicted in a tomb ... more
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