Cullom
But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquity
Tue Feb 19, 2008 19:50
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Hello Marianne,
Your comments are very interesting and informative.
I think the church historians engaged in a bit of historical revision for political as well as religious reasons. It might have seemed preferrable to have Moses and God best a famous king of Egypt rather than an insignificant king of the 13th dynasty. Josephus seems to have wanted the Hebrews to be deposed kings instead of escaped slaves for reasons of ethnic pride.
Some conflation seems to have occurred in the story you relate. The daughter of Palmanothes (Amenhotep I) did marry Thutmosis I. Chenephres (Thutmosis II) did marry Merris or Amerris (Hatshepsut) daughter of Thutmosis I.
I interpret the names Achencherres, Chencherres and Acherres as 'rebel criminal' which describes Aknaten, Nefertiti and Smenkhare.
Bocchoris would have been BaKaRe Tanutamon of the 24th.
I don't think Manetho or what we have of his work is really confused. It has been made to appear confused by trying to pick and choose various elements to please modern scholars and their chronological theories.
More later,
Cullom

  • But, as usual--disagreement even in antiquityMarianne Luban, Tue Feb 19 06:14
    Naturally, wouldn't you know that some ancient authors, like Eusebius and Artapanus failed to believe that the Hebrews left Egypt 430 years after they had arrived--and that's one of the reasons... more
    • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquity — Cullom, Tue Feb 19 19:50
      • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityMarianne Luban, Tue Feb 19 23:55
        Cullom: I think the church historians engaged in a bit of historical revision for political as well as religious reasons. It might have seemed preferrable to have Moses and God best a famous king of... more
        • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityCullom, Wed Feb 20 18:23
          Hello Marianne, Do you know of any king besides Ahmose and Amenhotep I during the period in question who was succeeded by a son-in-law? I suppose Thutmosis II was succeeded by a son-in-law since his... more
          • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityAnonymous, Fri Feb 22 02:02
            Cullom: Do you know of any king besides Ahmose and Amenhotep I during the period in question who was succeeded by a son-in-law? ML: Nope. And Ahmose was succeeded by a son. Cullom: I suppose... more
            • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityMarianne Luban, Fri Feb 22 02:13
              Oops--pressed some wrong button. Hatshepsut, her Speos Artemidos inscription, says the "Aamu" were ensconced at Avaris "with vagabonds among them". Now, the Aamu were realistically depicted in a tomb ... more
              • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityCullom, Sat Feb 23 08:51
                Hello Marianne, I should have said that Thutmosis I was succeeded by a "son-in-law" since his son Thutmosis II married his daughter Hatshepsut. The story of Abisha is remarkably similar to the story... more
                • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityMarianne Luban, Sat Feb 23 15:55
                  Cullom: In your earlier post you related that Egypt was ruled by Palmanothes AND Chenephres so Chenephres must have been more than an important official. ML: Why? He can have been a local lord.... more
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