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Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquity
Fri Feb 22, 2008 02:02
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Cullom: Do you know of any king besides Ahmose and Amenhotep I during the period in question who was succeeded by a son-in-law?

ML: Nope. And Ahmose was succeeded by a son.

Cullom: I suppose Thutmosis II was succeeded by a son-in-law since his son married his daughter.

ML: And Akhenaten seems to have been his own children's grandfather, in some cases ;-)

Cullom: What king's name would you morph into Chenephres?

ML: I wouldn't morph because the "morphing" was already done in antiquity. kA-n[y]- pA- ra seems a good original, though. This "Chenephres", however, may not have actually been a king. Just some official in some capacity who married a princess.

Cullom: What was the source for the later church historians that led them to think the Exodus occurred during the time of the 18th dynasty? Was it Josephus? The comments concerning Moses in the accounts of Africanus and Eusebius are their own, not Manetho's. The chronology of Manetho would place the advent of the Hyksos at about the same time the Hebrew refugees finally enterred Canaan, that is about 1406 B.C.

ML: Manetho says the Hyksos were routed--but he doesn't state they were Hebrews. What is there is "Some say they were Arabs". Kamose, on his victory stela, says that the king of the Hyksos was "a man of Retenu". Hatshepsut claims the "Aamu" were
So, Ms. Er Luban, before you place too much reliance on church historians, consider their motives and sources.

  • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityCullom, Wed Feb 20 18:23
    Hello Marianne, Do you know of any king besides Ahmose and Amenhotep I during the period in question who was succeeded by a son-in-law? I suppose Thutmosis II was succeeded by a son-in-law since his... more
    • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquity — Anonymous, Fri Feb 22 02:02
      • Re: But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityMarianne Luban, Fri Feb 22 02:13
        Oops--pressed some wrong button. Hatshepsut, her Speos Artemidos inscription, says the "Aamu" were ensconced at Avaris "with vagabonds among them". Now, the Aamu were realistically depicted in a tomb ... more
        • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityCullom, Sat Feb 23 08:51
          Hello Marianne, I should have said that Thutmosis I was succeeded by a "son-in-law" since his son Thutmosis II married his daughter Hatshepsut. The story of Abisha is remarkably similar to the story... more
          • But, as usual -- disagreement in antiquityMarianne Luban, Sat Feb 23 15:55
            Cullom: In your earlier post you related that Egypt was ruled by Palmanothes AND Chenephres so Chenephres must have been more than an important official. ML: Why? He can have been a local lord.... more
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