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Re: Dunkeld
Thu Oct 28, 2010 20:49
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Hi Allan
I've also got some MacDougalls in my MacDonald ancestry....thought I'd give you the following back and forth discussion I had in Nov. o5 on Roots Chat. Just thought you might find it of interest re the MacDougalls.
Heather


(from Angus)
Just by way of a small addition in case it should lead anyone to miss something. As well as the MacDonalds in and of Morar, what were known as the MacDougall MacDonalds of Morar, branches of the chiefly family were in family lands in the islands of Benbecula and South Uist for a hundred years or more. Even after Allan of Morar sold the lands there in 1748 [I think it was] they included the tacksmen of Garryghoil in Benbecula, and Kilaulay and various othervtwonships in South Uist. It was descendants of one of these branches that was involved in the 1850's court case concerning the inheritance of the South Morar estate.

from Heather
I'm aware of the MacDougalls and their relation to the MacDonalds of Morar.  There are also MacDougalls and MacDonells in my family from Lochaber who family tradition says are related.  My gg aunt, Mary MacIsaac married Alexander "Alasdair Ruaidh" MacDougall, born in Lake ainsleNova Scotia.

From Angus
Hi again
These were not MacDougalls but MacDonalds of Morar who had obtained the Morar lands in Benbecula and South Uist and, to distinguish them from all the other Clanranald Macdonalds in the islands were referred to by a sloinneadh or patronymic starting with Dougall, the murdered sixth chief of Clanranald. It was his sons who failed to regain the chieftainship of Clanranald but in recompense were given the lands of South Morar, Garryghoil in Benbecula and Machermeanich & Skeirhough [Howmore &Howbeg] in South Uist. Sortened the sloinneadh was Mac mhic Dhughail, son of the son of Dougall but they became known as the MacDougall MacDonalds of Morar/ Garryghoil etc. in the islands.

Incidentally, there are some rather one sided pieces on the ether implying that their close cousins the Rhetland MacDonalds had been cheated of the South Morar inheritance whereas, it seems to me that there may have been genuinely competing claims that, perhaps because of distance between PEI, Upper Canada, the islands and Edinburgh, were never properly resolved.

It may not be entirely a coincidence that the MacEachens of Howbeg [one of their number the Neil MacEachen who was the driving force in the Flora MacDonald rescue of Bonnie Prince Charlie and father of Etienne MacDonald, Duke of Tarentum, one of Napoleon's Marshalls] were from Druimdarroch. They were at one time thought to be MacDonalds but modern views are that they were actually MacLeans.

  • DunkeldAllan J. Gillis, Wed Oct 27 06:26
    As far as I can ascertain the two ships that arrived at Pictou in 1791 from the Western Isles area of Scotland were the "Dunkeld" (often mistakenly called the Dunkfield) and the "Colonel Fraser". It... more
    • Re: Dunkeld — Heather Walters, Thu Oct 28 20:49
      • Lake Ainslie MacDougallsAllan J. Gillis, Fri Oct 29 06:22
        Hi Heather, Would these be your people? Alexander (Alasdair Iain Ruaidh) MacDougall (ca. 1823-?), s/o John (Iain Ruadh) MacDougall and Janet (Jessie) MacDonald = Mary MacIsaac (12 Sep. 1836- ?) d/o... more
        • MacDougallMelanie , Tue Feb 25 15:31
          Hi There, I am interested in any information you may have Alexander (Alasdair Iain Ruaidh) and Mary MacIsaac would be my great great great grandparents. I have all of the MacIsaac info, researching... more
          • Re: MacDougallMelanie, Tue Feb 25 15:32
            My name is Melanie Beaton not MacDougall as the previous email stated
        • MacDougalls from Lake AinslieHeather walters, Sat Oct 30 18:05
          Hi Allan The e-mail address I have for you was incorrect. Please send your new one and I'll forward my MacIsaac files to you. Ciao, Heather
        • Lake Ainslie MacDougallsHeather Walters, Fri Oct 29 16:49
          Hi Allan I'm hoping I have the right e-mail addy for you. I'm sending the whole file for Duncan MacIsaac. I think you'll find it interesting. It appears we're related. As well, my mother Helen... more
    • Dunkeld, 1791, Mac DougallLinda Prendergast, Thu Oct 28 15:07
      Thanks Allan and all for the info about the ship Dunkeld. Hopefully somewhere those passenger lists still exist.
      • family treejohn mac dougall, Fri Jan 13 19:33
        trying to find ship that great grandfather came to ns on. name roarihd mgdougald (cleirck)
      • Dunkeld JournalNorm MacInnis, Tue Nov 1 16:12
        Unless I dreamt this, a few years ago I came across a story about a letter from a MacDougall who was making notes on the journey from Scotland to Nova Scotia aboard the Dunkeld in 1791.The person who ... more
        • maryvale connectionjohn mac dougall, Mon Jan 16 21:34
          hi my family started in maryvale roarihd mc dougald also known as cleric as he was a clerk for a priest in scotland.can't find which ship he came on. married to lilland chisholm. thanks john mac... more
        • ship log for dunkfield Anonymous, Mon Jan 16 21:28
          hi maryvale is where my family started in nova scotia. would appreciate any info. roarihd mac dougall also refered to as cleric as he was a clerk for a priest in scotland thanks john mac dougall
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