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DIO: Swansong (PLUG) & Note on Message Cowrite — Huinesoron, Wed May 9 7:08pm

Okay. Deep breath. This has been a long time in the works (since the Christmas Party over on the Other Board, give or take), but here it finally is. I hope you like it. DIO: Swansong This is the... more
- Can I get the Message too? — Sergio Turbo, Sun May 13 3:41am
  
  When you originally asked for it, I was really busy (so I barely read it), but now I have enough time to get this done in a couple of days most. So... Can you send the Message and a basic explanation ... more
- I'm sorry. — RilwenShadowflame, Sat May 12 11:47pm
  
  This makes me as uncomfortable as it ever did. I don't think I even have words for what I feel about it.
- A few notes. — PoorCynic, Sat May 12 12:27pm
  
  I'm holding off on a full response regarding the actual content of your piece (the plot, the characterization, whether I liked it, et...il I read the final parts. However, there were two technical... more
- - Both fixed. Ta. (nm) — Huinesoron, Sat May 12 2:24pm
- ATTENTION EVERYONE — JulyFlame, Fri May 11 3:20pm
  
  Since I've been seeing people freak out over this. This is only canon for you if you want it to be. You do not have to play Follow the Leader and follow Huinesoron. What he has set in terms of meta... more
- - ... waitwaitwait. — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 3:27pm
    
    Are... are people assuming Peter was right ? Because, um, seriously: he's crazy, he's being heavily manipulated, and he is wrong in almost every particular. Please, tell me I'm misunderstanding you,... more
  - - Sorry to say, hS... — Cassie, Sat May 12 6:41am
      
      but I think July may be right. Not everyone's going to be following the same train of thought as you in this, so they may well come to the conclusion that Peter's right. It really doesn't make it... more
    - Because I am not ever above saying it... — JulyFlame, Fri May 11 3:36pm
      
      We told you this would happen.
- The pacing is waaay better now. — Ellipsis Flood, Fri May 11 8:54am
  
  I'll wait for the other parts until I'll say something about it, but it does sound a bit like SRS BZNS right now. Also, is it okay to go over the cowrite thing and fix a few things? (The link stays... more
- - Yes. (nm) — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 2:14pm
- Just making sure... — TheScribe, Fri May 11 8:03am
  
  (sorry if I shouldn't post here, but I found out yesterday that my email was hacked and so now I'm trying to use it minimally.) The cowrite is supposed to be your agents' reaction to the message,... more
- - Correct. — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 2:13pm
    
    What they say, what they do. hS
  - - Thanks — TheScribe, Fri May 11 2:20pm
      
      Due to my inability to write seriousness, it will most likely be extremely cracky.
- I can't remember — Elcalion, Fri May 11 7:04am
  
  whether or not I replied with my email, but either way I'm keen. cam h 86 @ hot mail . com (minus the requisite spaces)
- Speaking of the cowrite... — Data Junkie, Fri May 11 3:09am
  
  I am most definitely interested now. Would it be too late to get in on this? I mean, I've got permission and a pair of agents that at least exist on the board. Though I'd completely understand if... more
- - Eeeeeemail, give me your eeeemail. — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 3:13am
    
    Then I'll email you the Message. Bear in mind you'll only have a couple of weeks. hS
  - - Re: Eeeeeemail, give me your eeeemail. — Data Junkie, Fri May 11 1:29pm
      
      tidwell dot raven at gmail dot com Alternatively, it's on the beta-reader list on the wiki. Didn't want to include it in the first post because, like I said, wasn't sure if you were still taking... more
- A special treat: Swansong Revised — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 12:23am
  
  The story link in the previous post has been extensively revised - so if you've already read it, you can now read it again! The changes pick up right after the party, and run through to the end.... more
- - Part of your addition repeats, twice. (nm) — JulyFlame, Fri May 11 12:45am
  - - Fixed. — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 2:27am
      
      Google Docs is not my friend. hS
- Concrit — Neshomeh, Thu May 10 9:55pm
  
  I'm going to hold my overall reaction for now, much as Phobos is doing, but I do have some writerly writing comments: I think this could be improved by giving it some more space to breathe.... more
- - Thank you. — Huinesoron, Thu May 10 10:27pm
    
    I may try a rewrite to put more between the party and the ending - to be honest, the heart of the story was always what happened on the Boards, so I probably did neglect the ending a little. The... more
  - Oh bother. SPOILERS up there in my post. (nm) — Neshomeh, Thu May 10 9:58pm
- Opinions and spoilers — Phobos, Thu May 10 9:14pm
  
  I don't know where to begin. Something about this story just rubs me the wrong way. Don't get me wrong, it is very well written technically. I just don't trust where this is going. Here are some... more
- - Thankee for your comments. — Huinesoron, Thu May 10 9:41pm
    
    You're right that the 'third Action Department' line is a certain level of grandstanding, but I consider it more to be Justin's utter dismay. It's as if someone turned away from the TV back in the,... more
  - - It is about more than just that stuff — Phobos, Thu May 10 10:20pm
      
      Those were the things that I could easily pick out in the story. There is more to it than that. I've got this, admittedly vague, feeling that there is something else going on here; outside the story. ... more
    - - And is it okay... — Huinesoron, Thu May 10 10:35pm
        
        ... for the PPC to remain in forced stasis? The heart of Swan's Egg is the question of what reality means - are the Agents and Flowers real, in any meaningful sense? If they are, what right do we... more
      - Re: And is it okay... — Phobos, Thu May 10 11:58pm
        
        Why does change have to equal things being undone? Why is growth not change? Look at some of the things that are going on in the PPC: >Joe's work in the DoSAT Testing and Application Division >The... more
        ... — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 2:47am
        
        >SeaTurtle has revived Intel, which hadn't had a new agent since Architeuthis Do you want to be the one to let Kyaris know that? She's part (the only part) of the previous revival of Intel - the one... more
        Questions, thoughts — Neshomeh, Fri May 11 10:46am
        
        ... Okay, this got rather long and ranty toward the end. I'm gonna leave it in, but I'd just like to clarify at the outset that rantiness should not be mistaken for actual anger or anything like... more
        Consider your complaints registered. — Huinesoron, Fri May 11 11:47am
        
        I hope there will be no complaints about the murder of my characters, the heads of departments I invented. The Clover and Snowthorn are now confirmed dead. hS
        If you don't like what somebody else has done in the sandbox — Kaitlyn, Fri May 11 11:44am
        
        . . . don't pick it up. hS was, in fact, the first person to really attempt to respect everyone's PPC canon. Before he turned up and started creating meticulous timelines, the PPC was pretty much a... more
        I know I'm still a newbie but... — Mechajin, Fri May 11 1:14pm
        
        ...Here are my thoughts: I think hS has a point. There does need to be change, sometimes, in the form of death of characters maybe? I don't know. But without some form of change, people are going to... more
        Input is good. {= ) — Neshomeh, Fri May 11 2:11pm
        
        Otherwise it's just us oldbies butting heads again. I disagree with you, but you've probably gathered that. There is one thing in particular I think needs answering, though, and that's this: What's... more
        Oop. — Mechajin, Fri May 11 2:24pm
        
        You have a point there, It was meant to sound like, "If we can't change things sometimes, it's gonna get stale. Where's the fun in that?" I have to admit though, the PPC isn't a "normal" canon. It's... more
        Regarding consent to play here. — Neshomeh, Fri May 11 12:59pm
        
        That actually is required. Not from me specifically (and my comment about revoking consent was an expression of personally not accepting that killing off other people's NPCs is okay), but that's... more
        Sure . . . — Kaitlyn, Fri May 11 1:20pm
        
        . . . but he has Permission now, and has for many years. Nobody else gets to decide what he does with that Permission. Nobody has authority over writers with Permission. Nor should they; the PPC... more
        I dunno. — Neshomeh, Fri May 11 1:57pm
        
        The "nobody has authority over writers with Permission" part—I dunno. There have been a few cases at least where folks with Permission started doing things that seriously raised eyebrows, and... more
        Yes! Finally. — Wikimaster, Fri May 11 2:20pm
        
        I've been thinking the same way for at least a year now.
        More Opinions — Mechajin, Fri May 11 2:20pm
        
        "Do you think Permission really means we have to tolerate everything, even if it's in direct opposition to principles the group claims to uphold?" No, Of course not. But nowhere does it say that... more
        Butting in, here... — JulyFlame, Fri May 11 2:49pm
        
        Nowhere has it been expressed that we have a ban on serious things in the PPC. Nowhere at all has that been the main concern here with Huinesoron's works. The concern is that he is writing things... more
        Blah. — Mechajin, Fri May 11 3:30pm
        
        "It was for writing something that shook the PPC up a great deal, did not actually inform people about- when this first came up she expressed concerns about Drama and so on. She was assured it would... more
        Lemme provide some context. — Neshomeh, Fri May 11 4:09pm
        
        First, you're right, your opinion has value whether you're old or new. This doesn't have anything to do with that, and it's not really about writing quality. The problem here is that you don't have... more
        Re: Blah. — Data Junkie, Fri May 11 3:39pm
        
        I am beginning to suspect this might be something easier to sort out face-to-face. Perhaps you should come visit the IRC?
        Hum. — Mechajin, Fri May 11 3:57pm
        
        I'm not trying to start any arguments, If I am being rude, I'm *really* sorry. I'm also not much of an IRC person. but if someone wants to take anything up with me privately, my email is... more
        (By the way, no rants/heatedness/sarcasm/rudeness intended) (nm) — Mechajin, Fri May 11 3:30pm
        
        Me personally? — Kaitlyn, Fri May 11 2:10pm
        
        I'm honestly not fussed. I'm happy to see the PPC nurture blossoming writers, as long as they're actually trying to create something of value (though I will say, Makes-things was never dead to me.... more
        I'm torn. — Neshomeh, Fri May 11 2:49pm
        
        Generally speaking I don't really care what anybody else does as long as they're not interfering with me or hurting people—I seriously don't want to dictate the plot of anybody's spin-off. But... more
        Yeah, I just don't get the emotional investment. — Kaitlyn, Sat May 12 3:10am
        
        If I log into the Sherlock Holmes section of A3 and instead find an X-men/Harry Potter crossover with Sherlock only peripherally present as an anonymous internet commenter . . . I roll my eyes and... more
        Emotional Investment — doctorlit, Sat May 12 9:31am
        
        Yes, some of us do have an emotional investment in the PPC. While I know that officially, we are writing fan fiction for the series Jay and Acacia created, it's different from Sherlock Holmes and... more
        Seconding — Neshomeh, Sat May 12 11:41am
        
        More than a patina of sense, I think. {= ) But yeah, it's that level of involvement that does it, I think, and it doesn't just go for here. You only have to look as far as those shipping wars to know ... more
        What, nine years ago? — Kaitlyn, Sat May 12 12:05pm
        
        I was a cute little thirteen-year-old with nothing better to worry about: fandom could take up a big space in my life then. But there's a lot about my life and priorities that has changed since I was ... more
        Makes sense. — Neshomeh, Sat May 12 2:43pm
        
        I think you may be confusing my feelings with my reasons for acting on them, though. I felt something was off long before I actually spoke up about it, which only happened after I'd worked out why I... more
        When framed thusly . . . — Kaitlyn, Sat May 12 3:24pm
        
        . . . no wrong at all. It's fine to raise objections, to offer concrit, etc etc etc, as long as you know that's all you're doing. It's not authority, whether or not they decide to accept it; it's... more
        Then I'll just say for posterity: — Neshomeh, Sat May 12 5:01pm
        
        I'd like to know about it if the reasons I've given aren't someone's reasons for deciding to do whatever it is I've said. That way I'm not stuck thinking I've achieved something that I actually... more
        The best part of arguing with hS is... — JulyFlame, Sat May 12 3:34pm
        
        ...when you say something and it leaves him gobsmacked and confused for a few minutes because he wasn't expecting it. -A July, who just wanted to offer that tidbit
        See . . . — Kaitlyn, Sat May 12 3:40pm
        
        I always thought the best part was making up afterwards. But that might not apply in all cases, now that I'm sitting down to think about it.
        And the worst part... — Huinesoron, Sat May 12 3:37pm
        
        ... is when one keeps telling him off until he gives in rather than waste time getting more upset. My son does this. ;) He's good at telling people off. hS, carefully using 'one' so as not to sound... more
        AO3, obvs. (nm) — Kaitlyn, Sat May 12 3:20am
- Uh. Wow. — TheScribe, Thu May 10 7:50am
- The Message — the Irish Samurai, Thu May 10 7:23am
  
  Now that I have Permission, I'd be interested in trying to do something for this (writing for my agents, Skeet and Amelia). My e-mail address is samurai_ireland@hotmail.com
- Hyped for the next installment! [Spoilers] — SeaTurtle, Thu May 10 12:40am
  
  This is a very interesting concept. Having agents discover the Board and wondering if they're just fictional (which of course they are- sorry Justin) just begs for some deep existential... more
- - Categorically no. — Huinesoron, Thu May 10 2:23am
    
    I've tried to make this as clear as I can, but it keeps coming back to haunt me: the patch-as-neuralyzer is pure Peter delusion. Because come on. You know why most of the PPC doesn't remember the... more
  - - Well, it's here at last... — Cassie, Thu May 10 3:03am
      
      Nice reactions. :P I'm kind of looking forwards to how everyone will react to the next piece, too - and part three's making me kind of curious, given as that's the only bit I've not seen. In any... more
    - I thought so too... — SeaTurtle, Thu May 10 2:35am
      
      I just wasn't sure what you were going for with this subject. Curse my impossible-link-making decision process! Anyhoo, that doesn't detract anything from the story itself. Keep it coming!
- dot. dot. dot. Oh Gog. — Mechajin, Wed May 9 8:37pm
  
  Oh maaan! This will be fun to watch unfold!
- - Heh heh heh. — Ivan the Not-so-Terrible, Wed May 9 8:55pm
    
    Two people say "We're screwed." You say "Cool!" I like you. Nice job.
  - - Re: Heh heh heh. — Mechajin, Wed May 9 9:22pm
      
      Well, the Flowers-That-Be are such a massive part of the PPC. It's going to be REALLY (Caps used for boldtext) interesting to watch this unfold.
    - - Yeah. (nm) — Ivan the Not-so-Terrible, Thu May 10 12:04am
- What. — Ivan the Not-so-Terrible, Wed May 9 8:31pm
  
  No. Way. TOS was meta at points, but this? Mind blown. 11 Flowers dead. Whoa. (Note to self, finish permission. Email is uzl2s@hotmail.com)
- *mindblown* — ThatOne, Wed May 9 7:45pm
  
  I've seen other examples of meta in PPC fics but this is way different. Every other time it was used as comedy and if I was told there was a story about an agent finding the Board I would have... more

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