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Chris Lampe
Re: a different take
Fri Apr 20, 2012 13:33
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Dan,

Thanks for responding! It's always interesting to hear other people's take on these images.

I was just going thru and checking off a quick list of similarities that I thought of off the top of my head.

1) The hat isn't that relevant since most men wore a hat during that era. But, he does wear it in a similar fashion to BTK, albeit cocked in the opposite direction. The hats differing isn't an important distinction, imo, since many people have been photographed wearing numerous different hats.

2) The height issue is suggestive of the guy on our left being a bit shorter of stature. Not absolute by any means, the other guy may well be tall for that era (and he does look pretty robust).

3) We'll just have to disagree on the ears. I think they are a pretty close match given the angles involved and the quality of the photographs we have to work from.

4) In my experience, it's very rare to find a photo of someone from the late 19th century (if that is when the photo was taken) without a tightly closed mouth. One of the defining characteristics of Billy's appearance was that his teeth were visible pretty much all the time. Also, what I'm seeing as teeth could well simply be his lower lip.

5) Another defining characteristic of Billy was his boyish appearance. Many guys in their late teens are not boyish looking at all but this guy is and he appears to be in his late teens.

I probably should have mentioned another defining characteristic and that is Billy's pointed chin. Unfortunately, both images leave a lot to be desired in determining each guy's chin and jaw structure but they appear similar to me.

I've seen a lot of pictures with just as many similarities to the authentic image but unfortunately, I've never found one where the claimed provenance and the similarities in appearance are equally strong. It's looking like there will probably be no more background information on this one so it will end up being another neat image to look at.


  • New alleged Billy the Kid photo.Chris Lampe, Thu Apr 19 16:27
    I don't know how many people have seen this image today since it's somewhat buried in an old thread that's been resurrected over on True West. The person who posted it says it was in the possession... more
    • Chris, whomever he is ( they are)Leah, Fri Apr 20 23:29
      (and it does not look like Billy to my very inexpert eyes). It is a great image and I would like to thank you for sharing it. Very interesting.
    • a different takeDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 20 12:44
      Chris, Not sure what you meant by "check," but 1/ the hats are different. 2/ there's no way to conclude the lad on the left is short without knowing the height of the lad on the right. If the latter... more
      • Check?Jerry Lobdill, Sat Apr 21 07:30
        Uhhh... The one on the right is a tintype with the image reversed. The one on the left may be a photograph with the image not reversed. It looks sharper than the tintype and more like a regular... more
        • Re: Check?Chris Lampe, Sat Apr 21 07:50
          Jerry, I think (and I may be wrong but I'm fairly sure) that the comparison photo I posted shows Billy and the new guy as they posed in life. Fortunately, the other guy in the new photo is wearing... more
          • invention of photographyJerry Lobdill, Sat Apr 21 08:08
            Chris, First photograph (not tintype) 1835. Tintypes were popular because they were simple enough to make that itinerant photographers could make a living traveling and selling their services.... more
            • BTK Photo(?)Bob James , Tue Apr 24 00:02
              I think the two photos (1 tintype) look quite a lot alike. Several years ago Scientific American or the Smithsonian Magazine did an analysis of the BTK Photo and a photo of Brushy Bill of Hico,Texas... more
              • Re: BTK Photo(?)Chris Lampe, Tue Apr 24 16:24
                One of the BTK documentaries did a similar analysis (maybe the same one you referenced?) and came to the same conclusion. The authenticated tintype (which some actually doubt is really BTK) shows a... more
      • I talked to your mom. She said you were never...Allen Barra, Fri Apr 20 19:18
        boyish.
      • Re: a different take — Chris Lampe, Fri Apr 20 13:33
    • The Cgris Lame ImageLee R Williams, Fri Apr 20 09:49
      Mr Cal Taylor of Mesilla Museum, NM, asked me to look this over Conclusion: No, it is not Wn. H McCarty nor is it Wn. I Babb 1. The ears are completely wrong 2. The face-jaw structure is off... more
      • Cal Taylor?Jerry Lobdill, Sat Apr 21 06:54
        Do you mean Cal Traylor?
      • Thank you Lee! (nm)Leah, Fri Apr 20 23:32
      • Re: The Cgris Lame ImageChris Lampe, Fri Apr 20 10:47
        Thanks for your input. Is your speciality facial recognition? If so, that is great that someone is doing some scientifically based analysis of these images. I had just posted over on the TW board... more
        • Good idea Chris...Jeff Smith, Fri Apr 20 14:15
          Thanks Chris, I've sort of been watching the posts on the Billy The Kid photo(s) over on True West and Chris was right in bringing it here (and elsewhere?) for examination. It certainly is not being... more
          • Re: Good idea Chris...Chris Lampe, Fri Apr 20 14:32
            Jeff, Thanks for your response! I certainly respect the work you've done on Soapy Smith and appreciate your input as someone who has "been there and done that", unlike myself and many others who... more
            • provenance evaporatingDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 20 16:55
              Chris, This would not be the first time someone launched a questioned photo of a famous person, alleging an intriguing provenance, only to back off on the provenance as scrutiny heightened. Happens a ... more
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