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Conclusion from WWHA re killing of Garrett
Mon May 28, 2012 04:03
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You may be referring to WWHA Ruidoso, and I was among the 333 attendees.

Reminder of CAL'S reminder: "All historic facts are subject to change hourly." Lurking in dark places are collections to be found. Even a stray piece of paper overlooked, or a published interview with a clue not recognized, even by the interviewee. It happens. Such finds have sand and gravel, but sometimes a golden nugget. I have a few of those golden nuggets.

Some of the Landed Gentry also have repeated the works-with-error by other Gentry. This perpetuates an error. These become nearly impossible to correct.

Needless to say, I like your term: Landed Gentry.

  • Garrett urgent letter to Curry — CAL, Mon May 21 11:27
    pat garrett urgent note to governor curry Enter that in your search window to learn that Garrett was desperate for money and begged Curry for money. That is an error by authors. Garrett was begging... more
    • was Charlie S. Right? — Allen Barra, Fri May 25 14:03
      I mean, do other historians agree with what SCharlie thought?
      • Siringo info reliable? — CAL, Sun May 27 09:23
        He walked the ground, he knew the people, his reporting is a primary source .... first-hand info. As a detective he had access to the company files. So far, the only fault I can find is minor, but he ... more
        • Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. (nm) — Allen Barra, Mon May 28 14:06
        • Siringo is reliable... — Mike Tower, Sun May 27 09:40
          at least as reliable as anyone else. The best part of Siringo's writings are the descriptions of the people and places he visited in his ramblings. Of all those connected with the Lincoln County War, ... more
      • Who killed Garrett — Jerry Lobdill, Sat May 26 06:13
        There is no agreement on this (per 2009 WWHA Roundup). Nobody knows who killed the Fountains, and people don't agree on who killed Garrett, though Wayne Brazel was tried and acquitted on a... more
        • The conclusion of the WWHA roundup... — OldTexasCowboy, Sun May 27 18:55
          Is by no means the definitive answer to who killed Garrett (or Fountain for that matter). It was the opinion of those involved in the discussion. Although a number of exceptional historians are... more
          • Conclusions — Gary Roberts, Tue May 29 14:59
            OTC, It doesn't hurt to ruffle a feather now and again. That's one of the ways that feathers get rid of the dust that collects if they are left undisturbed for too long. My observation is that most... more
          • OTC, I couldn't agree more — Mike Tower, Tue May 29 07:21
            change in about any form, but particularly historical writings, comes from the lesser known. This subject, Miller, is far from being a dead horse. I, too, am looking forward to new information and... more
            • O T C - That means Over The Counter — CAL, Wed May 30 07:18
              ... as in stock market lingo.
            • Re: OTC, I couldn't agree more — Ellis Lindsey, Tue May 29 22:48
              Mike, I am curious about why you say, "As to the WWHA findings, that discussion [the panel discussion on "Who Killed Pat Garrett?"] was not helpful and was inconclusive. I figure one of these days it ... more
              • Re: OTC, I couldn't agree more — OldTexasCowboy, Wed May 30 13:49
                Ellis, First, you had better go back a read the post. I did not say "as to the WWHA findings, that discussion was not helpful and was inconclusive. I figure one of these days it will be revisited." I ... more
                • Re: OTC, I couldn't agree more — Ellis Lindsey, Wed May 30 14:48
                  Why don't you use your name rather than an alias, OldTexasCowboy? You are terribly confused about the message I posted. It was not in reply to your messages; it was in reply to Mike Tower's message... more
                  • Sorry for the confusion... — OldTexasCowboy, Wed May 30 15:29
                    I did not read it that way. In any case, I am not hiding behind a sobriquet. The nickname Old Texas Cowboy dates to the earlier boards of a decade or more ago. Most know me by my name…Clifford... more
          • Thank you for your post, O.T.C. (nm) — Martha Fanning, Mon May 28 22:08
          • Yes indeed!Wise words OTC. (nm) — Pat, Mon May 28 14:44
          • Re: The conclusion of the WWHA roundup... — Anonymous, Mon May 28 09:01
            so, what was that conclusion? Richard
          • Conclusion from WWHA re killing of Garrett — CAL, Mon May 28 04:03
            • Nuggets — Pam Potter, Mon May 28 13:16
              I know what you mean about nuggets. I have found a few of those myself. Sometimes you stumble across them when not expected.
        • WHO DID IT? Killed Garrett? — CAL, Sat May 26 23:50
          Well, someday I can say: "Read my book." Or, my notes. Another Garrett mystery, the endless supply of letters and such ... dabs here and there. What did the mother-load look like? I know, read my... more
          • Who killed Garrett... — Jerry Lobdill, Sun May 27 08:41
            I misspoke. I shouldn't have said nobody knows. I should have said there seem to be many fiercely held opinions, or prejudices, or beliefs. But no proof-positive has ever been advanced. Since Cal... more
            • Who Killed Garrett - notes re ... — CAL, Sun May 27 09:08
              In my home area are several valuable collections. All of us are in a quandary: where to place our collections. One of "us" includes a home library of over 2,000 books, many are rare; plus his... more
              • Interesting discussion — Gary Roberts, Mon May 28 09:56
                This discussion is not in my main area of specialty, but I have always had an interest in both the deaths of Pat Garrett and Albert Jennings Fountain. I had the good fortune back in the sixties and... more
                • Gary, thank you for your post — Martha Fanning, Mon May 28 14:22
                  Thanks to Betty Jay who introduced me to Robert N. Mullin, altho only in a small way, I think his research is aces. She shared with me a small bit of Robert N. Mullin's research that she had, that... more
                • Interesting - add Bob Mullin in Lincoln — CAL, Mon May 28 11:51
                  Thank you Garry, a great letter. Mullin was a great person. He stayed three days in Lincoln, NM, at the Ellis home. You recall Lincoln history is sprinkled with the name Ellis. I visited with the... more
              • UTEP — Jerry Lobdill, Sun May 27 09:36
                Cal, I agree about UTEP. The book collection and your papers really need to be preserved for posterity in a safe place. I just found out that the papers of one of the prominent attorneys who were... more
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