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Ben Harleman
Echoing David; also a question
Fri Dec 7, 2018 02:17
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I share David's sentiment, as these are the things that sharpen my old west acumen, but I also have a question. I've reviewed most every archived discussion I could find on this topic on the two boards, and I don't believe this has been addressed, so I'm going to ask it. If I'm way off please set me straight; I'm not worried about being shown where I'm wrong or where I've missed something. But is it possible there were two Curly Bill's running around the territory? There were several men known as Wild Bill; only one rose to prominence. We know there were at least two people referred to by the title of Billy the Kid. There was confusion between two Bully Brooks, I believe, and there were even, apparently, two Pony Deihl/Deal's. So could it be that there were two Curly Bill's.

It's not wrong to say that people really aren't that clever at coming up with nicknames. All it takes is for some drunk guy to say "Your names John? What're you...John Wayne? Hey everybody, it's John Wayne." And then poor john is forever known in his circle as John Wayne. Isn't it entirely possible that the first Curly Bill was known in the parts and another guy got slapped with the title, also?

I hope this isn't too simplistic, but with the intriguing arguements I hear from both sides (Mr. Gatto & Mr. Farmer, primarily) I just can't help but wonder.

Just happy to be learning,
-Ben


  • Thanks Randolph; I David , Thu Dec 6 13:17
    am interested in hearing what Steve, Bob, and Kenny have to say about all this. Best, David
    • Echoing David; also a question — Ben Harleman, Fri Dec 7 02:17
      • Great questionRandolph W. Farmer, Fri Dec 7 11:40
        Ben - the only dumb question is the one not asked. I've said all along that there were more than one Curly Bill characters. Lynn Bailey knows this too. In fact the real Curly Bill said the same thing ... more
        • Great feedbackBen Harleman, Fri Dec 7 22:53
          Thank you for the response, and for validating my question. Sometimes I don't know if I'm on track or off. I appreciate the insight I get from you guys. -Ben
      • Re: Echoing David; also a questionSteve Gatto, Fri Dec 7 09:36
        There is always a possibility when you are tracking on old west figure that you might come across someone with the same name or nickname. There were provably several people being called by the name... more
        • Great feedbackBen Harleman, Fri Dec 7 22:55
          Thank you for the response, and for validating my question. Sometimes I don't know if I'm on track or off, but I always know I'm probably going to learn something. -Ben
    • Re: Thanks Randolph; I Steve gatto, Thu Dec 6 18:07
      I posted a response earlier today on BJ's board. Vigilantes, as opposed to lawful posses, tend to kill the men they are after and lynch their captives. This appears to have been the end result of... more
      • What a great cover story!Randolph W. Farmer, Thu Dec 6 21:27
        Associated Press Dispatch, May 21, 1881: "Curly Bill"...was shot and mortally wounded at Gatesville [sic] yesterday by Jim Wallace, one of his comrades." But...Curly Bill was killed by Jim... more
        • Re: What a great cover story!Steve Gatto, Fri Dec 7 06:04
          According to Randy Farmer: "I'm surprised, Steve, that you didn't notice in the 6 newspaper reports of the Scar Face incident, that the April 21 report out of Wichita (not April 20) quoted "Sheriff... more
          • @ SteveRandolph W. Farmer, Fri Dec 7 11:48
            Guess what: There is no Boyd County or Boyle County, Texas. As far as I can tell there never was either. Sheriff Dudley Reynolds or Dubb Reynolds? Haven't found him either. Kinda puts a different... more
            • Pretty hard to winDavid , Fri Dec 7 14:33
              a debate (or even come close) with Steve on anything relating to Curly Bill or the Cowboys, as one author embarrassingly found out in 2006 at the WOLA conference in Sierra Vista. The awkward... more
            • @RandySteve Gatto, Fri Dec 7 12:04
              I know that there is no Boyd County or Boyle County, Texas. That's why I responded, "No, I have not been to Boyd County or Boyle County, Texas, nor would I likely go to them if they existed."
              • @Steve2Randolph W. Farmer, Fri Dec 7 12:08
                This isn't about you, Steve. It never was. This is about the truth and the willingness to consider all new information without bias.
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