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Randy believes, Randy believes, Randy believes........
Tue Dec 11, 2018 09:36

The fact of Curly Billy escaping death by Wyatt Earp is never the issue with me. I love it. There is no one in the Old West history field who has bad-mouthed, castigated, slandered, and disrespected that person more than yours truly. It was me who painstaking tracked down and put on the Internet 17 confirmed arrests of that habitual crook. Not to mention proved absolutely his co-conspiracy in the fixed boxing match of December 1896.

The issue here is the fabrication of history, and indiscriminate manufacturing based on terrible research methodology, propagated by Randy Farmer upon the uninformed or unwary.
I won't even mention how you dodged the question about J. B. Brosius, who would have to had to be 11 or 12 years old in order to run with the "Hardin Gang." Unless there were more than one Hardin gang.

Bottom line on this post has to do with Dep. U. S. Marshal William C. Smith, who with George Lawson and two others escorted Cherokee Bill (who was only 20) from Nowata to Fort Smith. Here's the telegram Smith sent to his boss, U. S. Marshal George J. Crump (54) sitting at Fort Smith:

"Nowata, I. T. - Will be there on the morning train with Cherokee Bill. Did not hurt him. He is all okay. Am now on train 266. (Signed) "W. C. SMITH, Deputy.""
[Wichita Daily Eagle - Jan. 31, 1895]

It is preposterous for Randy Farmer to even suggest that Curly Bill, if he were the officer in question, would send official communication to the sitting U. S. Marshal, using an alias. Shame on you.

  • More new evidence of Curly Bill's survivalRandolph W. Farmer, Mon Dec 10 11:56
    Barbour County index (Medicine Lodge, Kansas) March 20, 1895: "--Woodward News: Sam Nay came to town Tuesday and gave the following account of the shooting of Charley Parker in the northwest part of... more
    • Alias P'Smith and Bockiu'sgobby git, Wed Dec 12 12:46
      RWF ... RB just beat me to that other Smith photograph because of my search ... try as I may, I can only find "former Gang member" J. B. Brosius listed in Hardin's self-serving autobiography, where... more
      • Thanks a million Gob.K.t.K., Wed Dec 12 16:57
        Hopefully I am allowed to assume that "Dr. J. B. Brosius" was older than 12, which will completely cancel out Randy boy's despicable con-game - that of foisting falsehood about him being Curly Bill's ... more
      • Hardin and BrosiusRandolph W. Farmer, Wed Dec 12 13:34
        J B Brosius and his brother Bill Brosius had old family conbectiins to the Hardin family. Their grandfather, J. B. Anderson was more of a father figure to them than their own father, George W.... more
        • Re: Hardin and BrosiusSteve Gatto, Wed Dec 12 14:41
          Didn't Doc Bockius give an interview to a newspaper reporter while in the county jail after being arrested?
          • Re: Hardin and Brosiusgobby git, Thu Dec 13 05:48
            As I still can't figure out Chronicling America ... From the Austin Daily Democratic Statesman of June 16, 1874 "[Prisoner Bockius] graduated from a medical school in Philadelphia. Otherwise, he knew ... more
            • Answer in front of your gobRandolph W. Farmer, Thu Dec 13 08:32
              "He survived the lnching of three of his companions because he was helped by a fellow Mason." J. M. Bockius was innocent, like he said. Hardin identifies J. B. Brosius as the person rescued from the... more
              • Guilt By Associationgobby git, Thu Dec 13 09:47
                RWF ... it would be impertinent for me to disagree with ANYTHING you say ... specifically the Masonic implications and the racial and political aspects inherent in your book ... except for the... more
                • Thanks, but...Randolph W. Farmer, Thu Dec 13 11:47
                  Speaking guilt by association, was J. M. Bockius found guilty of driving stolen cattle for Hardin? Uh, no, he wasn’t. Sometimes the justice system works the way it’s supposed to work. Bockius was... more
                  • Disassociationgobby git, Thu Dec 13 12:43
                    "His detention meant J. B. Brosius got off scot free" I have the book ... this isn't what is said in there ... or anywhere else ... one person, a thirteen year old, one name, J.B. Brosius ... luckily ... more
                    • I’m anonymous by accidentRandolph W. Farmer, Thu Dec 13 13:35
                      Don’t know if you picked up on it - but with Frank Anderson indicted for stealing a horse at the same place and time as J B Brosius getting hoisted up by a large man on horseback and escaping by... more
                    • Thank youAnonymous, Thu Dec 13 12:52
                      Lots of stuff gets edited out of the finished product due to space considerations. I understand that. For instance, I think I remember some stuff I had in there about Medicine Lodge, Kansas which... more
    • Please tell me you have more than . . .Steve Gatto, Tue Dec 11 11:09
      the information in your post to prove your assertions that this Curly Bill in the 1895 article was Curly Bill Brocius and that he was also William A. Brosius of Paris, Texas. Unless you have more... more
      • Bottom lineRandolph W. Farmer, Tue Dec 11 11:31
        Is that you can’t prove Bill Brosius wasn’t Curly Bill. I’ve listed numerous reasons in the past here, as well as in my book, why the only Bill Brosius or Brocius or Broscius, however you want to... more
        • Re: Bottom lineSteve Gatto, Tue Dec 11 13:58
          The sad irony is that I'll end up either having to prove that William A. Brosius was Curly Bill Brocius or prove that he could not have been Curly Bill Brocius since you're not capable of doing it. I ... more
          • Poor SteveRandolph W. Farmer, Tue Dec 11 15:58
            Steve Gatto: "The sad irony is that I'll end up either having to prove that William A. Brosius was Curly Bill Brocius or prove that he could not have been Curly Bill Brocius...." Why so sad? What... more
            • Well, I all I need to say . . . Steve Gatto, Tue Dec 11 21:06
              about the research that I have done relating to William A. Brosius of Paris, Texas, is that 15 years since the publication of my book on "Curly Bill" in 2003, and after your so-called extensive... more
              • @SteveRandolph W. Farmer, Tue Dec 11 21:09
                And you have a vested interest in an inflexible and unrealistic opinion.
                • Right . . .Steve Gatto, Tue Dec 11 21:45
                  All I'm asking for is some evidence that William A. Brosius is Curly Bill. Hell, he may actually be Curly Bill - the problem is you have not provided any evidence that he was the same man.
                  • Get realRandolph W. Farmer, Tue Dec 11 22:00
                    What you’re saying is you want a signed confession, witnessed and notarized and date and time stamped from William A. Brosius saying he was Curly Bill. You seek to impose perhaps, the standard of... more
                    • Re: Get realSteve Gatto, Tue Dec 11 22:34
                      So what your saying is that I set the bar too high? No wonder I haven't been able to confirm who Curly Bill Brocius was and where he was from all these years. So, what is the probability that a man... more
    • Randy believes, Randy believes, Randy believes........ — K.t.K., Tue Dec 11 09:36
      • Kenny I think some of these Deputies could have used aliases depending on where they were required to go, and some had shady pasts too. I cannot understand why Sheriff Brosius would, though. The... more
        • Thanks PeterK.t.K., Wed Dec 12 08:08
          I found all kinds of stuff on Chronicling America about William C. Smith as Deputy [U.S.] Marshal. But I will not put up all the links. When reading up on the entire account, there was no need for... more
        • @Peter LoveRandolph W. Farmer, Tue Dec 11 19:54
          I did find an indictment in Indian Territory for “Curly” and “Cherokee Bill” but will concede it could have been a different person than Crawford Goolsby. It was more important to demonstrate that... more
    • Curly Bill's HorseRichard Lapidus, Tue Dec 11 07:32
      If this is the Curly we know from the Tombstone saga, how many horses of his were shot?
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