In what way does this conflict with
Wed Sep 6, 2017 11:28am

His post in your opinion, with respect to the case we have been discussing?

Obeying orders is not a legal defense

Mon Sep 4, 2017 4:51pm

from a strictly legal standpoint.

However, would a JURY be swayed by it? Probably. Would a DA (who is likely looking for ANY excuse to let the officer off the hook) be willing to accept it as an excuse? Probably.

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    • In what way does this conflict with — Sprout, Wed Sep 6 11:28am
      • said could be used. I even pinpointed your failure to address them in your tantrum. Your assertion there is never a legal defense is false. I cited them. STOP LYING.
        • And to FURTHER clarify for you...Sprout, Wed Sep 6 12:53pm
          The officer was presented ON THE SCENE with the documents showing he had no authority to force the blood draw. So, he cannot claim ignorance. I would think it wasn't that hard and didn't believe you... more
          • Once again, you try to change the argument to your own tiny specific example instead of the actual discussion. I cited examples using your standard provided exceptions. You are in fact wrong.
          • I described him as a student differently. Less politically correct. I believe I wrote a sneaky little runt. Some things don't change. Same with defenses. When JP was sixteen, he looked twelve, and... more
            • Hahaha😀. I have to guffaw.PH👁👁EY (JP), Sun Sep 10 11:39pm
              That describes me to a "T." Though I was never a runt. I was so immature my elementary school held me back a year in third grade. I did not have pubic hair until 17. And today at 72 I look 60.... more
            • I was asked a question about a LEGAL defense of "obeying orders", and addressed it utilizing the example of the Nuremburg trials clearly showing that obeying orders to commit violations was not... more
              • Your argument is sound.PH💉💉EY, Sun Sep 10 11:44pm
                So why is it so difficult for another to grasp the simplicity of your points?
              • I asked the question. You don't get to change it to what YOU decide. I cited examples where in theory a defense exists. You asserted it never does. You are in fact wrong and your concession they DO... more
                • Not so fast:PH🗣🗣EY, Sun Sep 10 11:48pm
                  Your manner of discussion is more akin to a bum's rush ( or is it bum rush.). You cannot just dismiss a debator with the wave of an imperial finger wag or flippant hand gesture. The buzzer has... more
                  • Contrarian, I have asked you nicely.HeavyHemi, Mon Sep 11 12:56am
                    Stop it now.
                    • Stop what?PH😵😵EY, Mon Sep 11 7:41pm
                      You mystify me. I offer an opinion. It's not a particularly nice opinion. But I felt you were being haughty. Sorry if you are offended. Forgive me.
                    • LOL....Sprout, Mon Sep 11 8:43am
                      And what will you do if he doesn't? Wave your finger imperiously again? Or perhaps you will taunt someone as second time... LOL Whiner.
                      • Are you 12?HeavyHemi, Tue Sep 12 3:35am
                        You posted your tantrum because you're upset that you you keep losing simple arguments. Grow up kid.
        • LOL... aparently you didn't read themSprout, Wed Sep 6 12:51pm
          because they clearly did not apply in this case. Or were you told to obey unlawful orders?