Sprout
I obviously don't know the guy personally...
Wed Sep 6, 2017 1:26pm
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I was asked a question about a LEGAL defense of "obeying orders", and addressed it utilizing the example of the Nuremburg trials clearly showing that obeying orders to commit violations was not considered a legal excuse. I also pointed out that the military, which HH claims to have been a part of, also has trained that unlawful orders are NOT to be obeyed and that the excuse of "obeying orders" is not considered an excuse.

I pointed out that obeying orders is not a legal defense though I also carefully noted that a JURY might give the officer some leeway based on it, or that a DA (who might not want the case to go to court anyway) might opt not to charge based on it, but from a pure law standpoint, obeying orders is not an excuse.

The other potential excuse was essentially one of ignorance. Claiming not to KNOW that the order was unlawful. Yet, in this case, it was a trained law enforcement officer, as well as a trained phlebotomist, AND he had the documented proof of why the order was not lawful, so ignorance of the law was not a valid excuse.


  • I described him as a student differently. Less politically correct. I believe I wrote a sneaky little runt. Some things don't change. Same with defenses. When JP was sixteen, he looked twelve, and... more
    • I obviously don't know the guy personally... — Sprout, Wed Sep 6 1:26pm
      • Your argument is sound.PH💉💉EY, Sun Sep 10 11:44pm
        So why is it so difficult for another to grasp the simplicity of your points?
      • I asked the question. You don't get to change it to what YOU decide. I cited examples where in theory a defense exists. You asserted it never does. You are in fact wrong and your concession they DO... more
        • Not so fast:PH🗣🗣EY, Sun Sep 10 11:48pm
          Your manner of discussion is more akin to a bum's rush ( or is it bum rush.). You cannot just dismiss a debator with the wave of an imperial finger wag or flippant hand gesture. The buzzer has... more
          • Contrarian, I have asked you nicely.HeavyHemi, Mon Sep 11 12:56am
            Stop it now.
            • Stop what?PH😵😵EY, Mon Sep 11 7:41pm
              You mystify me. I offer an opinion. It's not a particularly nice opinion. But I felt you were being haughty. Sorry if you are offended. Forgive me.
            • LOL....Sprout, Mon Sep 11 8:43am
              And what will you do if he doesn't? Wave your finger imperiously again? Or perhaps you will taunt someone as second time... LOL Whiner.
              • Are you 12?HeavyHemi, Tue Sep 12 3:35am
                You posted your tantrum because you're upset that you you keep losing simple arguments. Grow up kid.