Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:03pm

IMO there are some things that don't involve much of a legal requirement. Things like a conversation with the student's parent/guardian. The counselor could call the student in to talk. But even then, while the counselor might have a note that said a student planned on doing "something stupid", without the counselor ALSO having those video's (or that note including more detail than the media suggests), the counselor might not have any idea that it COULD be more than a plan to streak the homecoming game.

While the school talking to the parents about the potential "something stupid" might help, it certainly isn't something decisive or that is in any way guaranteed to prevent a criminal act. And, while the media will certainly play the hindsight game, it becomes a lot harder to blame the counselor when we limit ourselves to JUST what the counselor actually knew beforehand.

  • It's a very difficult situation, isn't it?Poppet, Mon Sep 18 3:48pm
    In this particular case, there were multiple warning signs...but was even the combination of them enough to legally justify some sort of intervention (and if so, of what degree)? It would seem that... more
    • for at least a discussion with the counselor. Frankly I think this jumping to 'rights' is a distraction to the basic point of ignoring the signs.
      • I shouldn't think it woudl be too difficult.Poppet, Mon Sep 18 9:55pm
        That seems to be within the scope of what a school could do in a situation where a student was exhibiting "indicator" behavior...although I have precisely zero expertise in this sort of matter.
        • And apparently that DID happen...Sprout, Tue Sep 19 9:01am
          And the student was even suspended pending a psych eval... But those steps STILL did not prevent the act... Taking me back to my original question of what steps COULD the school theoretically have... more
          • Metal detectors at the doors. (nm)Sia☺giah, Wed Sep 20 7:46pm
            • Finally an answer.....Sprout, Thu Sep 21 9:43am
              While it probably isn't feasible from a case by case basis, in that it probably isn't possible to get metal detectors put in RAPIDLY based on a single potential threat like the note from the kid in... more
              • Thoroughly studiedPikes, Fri Sep 22 11:19pm
                School administrators correctly conclude metal detectors won't work. Too many entrances, and too many people entering and leaving during the day. During breaks, and lunch virtually the whole... more
    • Agreed.... — Sprout, Mon Sep 18 4:03pm
      • I think we're on the same page here.Poppet, Mon Sep 18 10:06pm
        It really is an interesting balancing act: the sort of signal sent in this case aren't unequivocal. The kid wasn't scribbling unhinged rants on the walls of his room or something similarly... more