Too Late Now. What is Done is Done.
Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:49am

The misunderstanding has been explained.

With those who refuse to understand, further productive discussion is fruitless.

  • Good pointRobert, Wed Sep 27 11:33am
    Maybe the first step to understanding would be to not use the playing of the NATIONAL ANTHEM to protest during something the NATION, the MILITARY, the POLICE, AND for the most part, the AUDIENCE... more
    • Well, There's Your Problem...Amadeus, Wed Sep 27 2:15pm
      Sacred? The anthem isn't sacred. Nor is the flag. Nor the Constitution. That's entirely the wrong attitude and focus. Our rights and freedoms. Now those , good Sir Robert, those are sacred. Amadeus
      • Admittedly, I have several problems-Robert, Thu Sep 28 9:03am
        "attitude and focus" are not often among them. Sometimes for sure, but not often. "Sacred" per Websters: That which is respected; venerable . Not understanding that the flag, anthem, and Constitution ... more
        • What Is And What Is Not...Amadeus, Thu Sep 28 10:51am
          The flag can be grabbed by a madman, waved about in support of whatever cause he cherishes, claimed and sullied. It has happened before, it will happen again. Likewise the others. Even the written... more
          • DivisivenessRobert, Thu Sep 28 11:38am
            is the steroidal drug of choice of weakness and evil. Unity is the antidote. When the weakness you reference surfaces, and we agree that it has, it's critical to prescribe the correct medication.... more
            • Unity For The Sake Of Unity...Amadeus, Sat Sep 30 12:52am
     no medicine. It's an intoxicant. The ideal and idea behind the establishment clause is certainly not obsolete. The language of the establishment clause is, however, archaic. Better to hold the... more
              • Your last sentenceRobert, Sat Sep 30 10:34am
                has nothing whatsoever to do with my posts on kneelers. As for your "unity for the sake of unity"----why bring up such a empty, non related to my posts, statement? Who on here has posted such a... more
                • Whenever Someone Suggests...Amadeus, Sat Sep 30 12:49pm
                  ...that the symbols deserve veneration, but somehow, we can continue suffering while the ideas and ideals are swept under the rug... then they are putting the symbols ahead of the ideas and ideals.... more
                  • Who is suggesting such?Robert, Sun Oct 1 8:21am
                    "continue suffering....swept under the rug"--- hasn't been said on here and not even by our clueless President. Looks like, feels like, smells like..........uh..........straw.
                    • Seriously?Amadeus, Sun Oct 1 7:06pm
                      No, those words weren't used. The sentiment, however, is loud and clear. Amadeus
    • Too Late Now. What is Done is Done. — Merlin, Wed Sep 27 11:49am
      • Thousandsss in Dallas didn't get the memoRobert, Wed Sep 27 12:27pm
        and I think you realize that millions of others didn't either.
        • They Should Inform ThemselvesMerlin, Wed Sep 27 1:05pm
          It's been all over the news and internet.
          • This woman may be "informed".Robert, Thu Sep 28 10:59am
            Plus she's got a LOT more skin in the game than most here or elsewhere. If the ... more
            • 'Twould If They Did So NOW I ThinkMerlin, Thu Sep 28 12:54pm
            • No she doesn't. Her voice is not worth more..HeavyHemi, Thu Sep 28 12:49pm
              than mine or yours or Trump's. That is extremely wrong.
              • Who said it was worth more?Robert, Thu Sep 28 12:53pm
                Informed/= worth more. I said she had more skin in the game in terms of being sensitive to the Anthem, and she does.
                • She doesn't have any more skin in the game that I do or anyone else. And her reasons for 'being more sensitive' are nor more valid that mine or Trump's. Her opinion carries the same weight as a... more
                  • Are you sober?Robert, Thu Sep 28 8:49pm
                    Do you even know what "skin in game" means? Did you lose your spouse while they were supporting what the anthem stands for? If you did, I'll stand down. Now answer my question if you have the guts to ... more
                    • So her opinion means more because?HeavyHemi, Thu Sep 28 10:49pm
                      I've lost friends. It is completely irrelevant to the facts of the issue. Her OPINION of what they are doing matters just as much as yours or mine. Her husband wasn't killed in the line of duty... more
                      • She-nor-I-is-saying-her-opinion-is-more-important. That's twice now---get it? If you don't get the heightened sensitivity she has due to the loss of her husband, I can't help you. Your post prior to... more
                        • Illogical gibberishRobert, Fri Sep 29 1:51pm
                          Her husbands death, considering his career, makes her a small subset of: wives in general, military wives, husbands, military husbands, former military personell, members of this board, and American... more
                          • Yes, you are emotional and illogical.HeavyHemi, Fri Sep 29 2:01pm
                            Yes, you have explained that you believe her opinion is more valuable and we should listen because? Then in the next breath you deny it. Then you make make immature insults. I disagree and have... more
                            • Get some help man.Robert, Fri Sep 29 2:12pm
                              I suspect anyone on here, whether they agree with me currently/ historically or not, will read this thread exchange and explain to you that I have never said her opinion is more important than anyone ... more
                              • Then there is no reason for you to have used her.HeavyHemi, Fri Sep 29 2:50pm
                                And you ARE explicitly arguing that her opinion IS more important because of her 'sensitivity'. I'll let others speak for themselves, so far not a one has taken your side...why is that? Again, it is... more
                                • U R really reaching Hemi.Robert, Fri Sep 29 3:57pm
                                  Maybe it would help you to go back to the "informed" exchange with Merlin and I. I'm not explicitly or inherently claiming her opinion is more important. I've explained what I claim more than enuf... more
                                  • Again, you believe because of her experience...HeavyHemi, Fri Sep 29 4:35pm
                                    her "skin in the game" that she is a more credible voice...more credible than most here was how you put it. You're basically using every obfuscating tactic to avoid admitting something so blatantly... more
                                    • What I actually posted isRobert, Sat Sep 30 10:55am
                                      based on her loss, she would likely be more sensitive to a real or perceived slight to the anthem. What you said I said, was she was more credible (more important opinion)---this is what most would... more
                        • As retired military, I'd argue I have at least as much 'skin'. I am assuming you have NO military experience? So maybe you don't understand my point. So, again why are you holding her out ie: "Plus... more
      • Yet when conservative folks explain theSprout, Wed Sep 27 11:51am
        meaning behind their symbols and symbolic acts, the liberal protestors demand to use their own meanings. Think Confederate flag.
        • Explaining The Obvious. Again.Amadeus, Wed Sep 27 2:36pm
          When a protester kneels during the anthem, there is no disrespect of the anthem, flag, America, etc. Think of when Rosa Parks refused to sit in the back of the bus. Was there disrespect shown toward... more
          • And what US code states thatSprout, Wed Sep 27 3:22pm
            the confederate battle flag is racist? You are making the case that the actor determines his own meaning in one case, and the observer determines the meaning in the other. Which is exactly my point.
            • No, I Am Not...Amadeus, Wed Sep 27 3:25pm
              The symbolism for the Confederate flag is established. It has been for some time. The meaning of not participating in the anthem or in the pledge varies based on the protest involved. By definition.... more
          • United States Flag CodeSES, Wed Sep 27 2:44pm
            The United States Flag Code establishes advisory rules for display and care of the national flag of the United States of America. It is Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. 1 et ... more
            • About the Flag CodeJeeves, Wed Sep 27 6:15pm
              The Code also mentions a few other things about what you should and shouldn't do. See:
            • Your angle is Pikes, Wed Sep 27 3:36pm
            • The Supreme Court Has Already Held...Amadeus, Wed Sep 27 3:23pm
              ...that our freedom of speech supersedes the flag code. So, no, it is NOT required by law. It was, at one point. But that was an ill-advised and poorly conceived law. Amadeus
        • Think thisPikes, Wed Sep 27 12:10pm
          • The question stands...Sprout, Wed Sep 27 12:45pm
            I'll wait, but won't hold my breath.
            • No, the question kneelsPikes, Wed Sep 27 3:33pm
              You don't get to make the rules. Neither does Trump.
              • And niether does Kapernick, nor you...Sprout, Wed Sep 27 3:50pm
                None of you get to pick and choose what behavior of an athlete or other protestor offends his/her customers/fans.
                • If something I do offends my "fans" Pikes, Wed Sep 27 4:00pm
                  that's their problem. It's not my intent, nor in my heart. I don't change my behavior to accommodate their narrow rigidity. I never had to. However, I have another salute for Trump.
                  • Ssme thing with millions et, Wed Sep 27 4:38pm
                    with us southerners. Not our intent nor in our heart to offend. Because of a few a-holes that have been or being disrespectful of the flag; nor will we change ours. :) The ignorance is enough to... more
            • Oh I think you do that a lot...HeavyHemi, Wed Sep 27 12:51pm