Let's start out by assuming we all agree
Tue Oct 3, 2017 9:43am

that it makes no sense to assume the Second Amendment implies the People do not have right to own howitzers and tanks.

  • Regardless Of How You StartMerlin, Tue Oct 3 9:33am
    if the other person bases his argument on the assumption that everything and anything you say about gun control is a lie to further the goal of seizure of all firearms from everyone by the... more
    • the other person says is based on a conspiracy theory about seizure, it will prove difficult to have a rational discussion So, start from rationality. Don't start by PRESUMING the person you are... more
      • I Make No Such AssumptionMerlin, Tue Oct 3 10:06am
        until the other person starts talking about a conspiracy theory about seizure. Then, the conversation is over.
        • who DO advocate seizure... Dianne Feinstein, one of the writers and supporters of the Clinton Era 'assault weapons' ban was very open about it. They passed the bill that they could pass. Not the bill ... more
        • Well, there ARE conspiracies.PH👁EY, Tue Oct 3 10:25am
          So why limit yourself to rejecting that about which you are displaying the same irrational dismissal? It seems like an unfair mental block on your part.
    • Let's start out by assuming we all agree — PH🙄🙄EY, Tue Oct 3 9:43am
      • Let's correct that post:PH🙄👀EY, Tue Oct 3 9:50am
        The Second Amendment does not imply that the Citizenry ought to have personal ownership of howitzers and tanks. Other than that I see no need for gun laws except perhaps regarding FULLY automatic... more
        • Among all the lawful reasons the people should have a right to keep and bear arms, the Amendment specifically notes militia service as a reason why that right is necessary to a free state... So,... more
          • " Historically militia's will serve WITH standing military forces. I would certainly agree that militiamen are unlikely to be expected to arrive bringing tanks, howitzers, fighter jets, bombers, or... more
            • EVERBODY trained to whatever degree possible. Sometimes they had weapons, sometimes they were just farmers with pitchforks, but they were trying to prepare for if the German military did cross the... more
            • The US military hasn't TRULY been stressedSprout, Tue Oct 3 11:10am
              since WWII in terms of running EVERTHING they have to the max. Building weapons and vehicles as fast as possible, training recruits as fast as possible, pushing everything across the ocean as fast as ... more
            • Given the incredible high tech dmpowermentPH☠☠EY, Tue Oct 3 10:46am
              to the push button warriors, and the incredible massive destruction including conventional weapons, your post has the slight pallor of an antique concept. A responding militia in your scenario is... more
              • Yeah, that's what I saidJeeves, Tue Oct 3 10:58am
                " A responding militia in your scenario is passť, and irrelevant. " Exactly.
                • Different roles though...Sprout, Tue Oct 3 11:36am
                  If we look at total war scenario's there are plenty of jobs that won't need front line troops, but would be better done by someone with a rifle who knows how to do it.
          • I was not specifically targeting PH👀EY, Tue Oct 3 10:21am
            Trump. But used his imperial edict as a example . The ban on travel to Cuba was unconstitutional. And a lot less complicated to grasp than the dodgey hair splitting parsing of terms re. the Second... more