Sprout
Sort of....
Tue Oct 3, 2017 10:04am
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When one is acting in the role of an employee, especially when uniformed in their employers colors/uniforms/etc, I do think that the employer DOES have a right to some say in limiting speech under those conditions...

As a soldier, I was always allowed to have my own opinions. And as an INDIVDIUAL I was always allowed to express those opnions whether they be political or social.... but NOT IN UNIFORM.

I could go to a rally or a political event and stand at a microphone and say, "My name is Sprout and I think we should elect Joe Snuffy for county commissioner." What I could NOT do was stand at that microphone and say, "My name is SGT Sprout, US Army, and I think we should elect Joe Snuffy for county commissioner." And I couldn't go to that rally wearing my uniform.

Because once I put on that uniform or identified myself as a serviceman, I would be REPRESENTING the service in the eyes of those watching.

This is something soldiers are taught early on. That there is a DIFFERENCE between Sprout as an individual expressing his opinion and SGT Sprout expressing his opinion as a soldier. That when I am the latter, it is not MY opinion that matters, but the ARMY's opinion that matters, and yes, I may have to get permission to speak, and may even be told NOT to speak.

IMO it is perfectly reasonable for a store to fire an employee for shouting, "What do we want? Dead Cops... When do we want it? now!" while at work... or even fire them if they wear their store uniform to the protest where they are shouting those words.

    • Sort of.... — Sprout, Tue Oct 3 10:04am
      • That is NOT the topic of this discussion.Sia☺giah, Tue Oct 3 6:24pm
        NO ONE disputes that employers can limit free speech by putting future employment on the line. However, NOTHING I posted had ANYTHING to do with that argument. It was SPECIFICALLY about Left vs Right ... more
      • As far as I know....wondering, Tue Oct 3 2:53pm
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        • Yes, he should be "fired", but that is NOT the topic of (nm)discussion... Sia☺giah, Tue Oct 3 6:32pm
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          • didn't you read the damned thing?
          • I agreewondering, Tue Oct 3 3:34pm
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            • A proposal Pikes, Tue Oct 3 4:33pm
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    • A two-edged sword...wondering, Tue Oct 3 4:39am
      I think maybe the "PC" movement went too far. People weren't allowed to say or express what they thought or felt if it wasn't PC, so now we see the backlash. On the other hand, there are good reasons ... more
      • Very true. Freedom of speech, according to different sides,HAS limitations they impose... Sia☺giah, Tue Oct 3 6:31pm
        NONE of which make ANY SENSE when push comes to shove. Those whining about the NFL protest are vindictively PUNISHING football players and teams for exercising their freedom of speech, while the very ... more