Sprout
There are only a tiny few 'military style' firearms out
Wed Oct 4, 2017 9:08am
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there and it takes SERIOUS effort and background checks to get one, not counting HUGE cost. I could count the crimes committed with them on one hand.

  • Close to home you sense an issue's gravity. The closer, the heavier. IMO there is no reason for the public to own or have access to military style weapons. These are unnecessary for hunting, or... more
    • There are only a tiny few 'military style' firearms out — Sprout, Wed Oct 4 9:08am
      • All legal. Not expensive. Easy to buy. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/bump-fire-stocks.html Folks these really work and are a great deal of fun for the recreational shooter thousands have been sold... more
        • A military style weapon is fully automatic...Sprout, Wed Oct 4 10:17am
          This is not. What it does is change your movement. So, instead of pulling your finger backwards to fire a round, you push your non-dominant hand forward to fire a round. I have played with that toy,... more
          • The word is the shooters' used fully automaticPH🔎⚔🔎EY, Fri Oct 6 6:21pm
            guns. We're these shooters military?
          • What machine gun has a '60' in its designation? (nm)PH🔎👁🔎EY, Thu Oct 5 9:37am
            • It was a medium weight belt fed machine gun chambered in in the 7.62mm x 51mm NATO round. That is essentially equivalent to the .308 rifle round. The M60 gained popularity in Vietnam and is still... more
              • I ask because PH🔎👀🔎EY, Thu Oct 5 10:03am
                I have been reading comments by military veterans who say the professional shooters were likely using this type of automatic weapon because of the sound and rapidity and longevity of the muzzle... more
            • Depends on technique....Sprout, Wed Oct 4 11:01am
              Just like pulling a trigger, some can do it faster than others... I only played with one once. I was able to achieve about the same rate of fire as using the old school 'belt loop' technique, but was ... more
              • "4-6 rounds per second"Jeeves, Wed Oct 4 11:07am
                " To me, it is really more of a gadget than a serious tool. " Whether or not something is a useful tool depends on the task you are attempting to perform. If your goal is to discharge a large number... more
                • To me, the key is that with some practice...Sprout, Wed Oct 4 11:12am
                  and good technique (that any 3-gun competitor has), a competitor is going to have the kind of speed that this gadget can provide, but at the same time maintain much better accuracy by using proper... more
                  • No skin off my butt, as I can't imagine having any interest in such a device, but I agree that banning it likely won't increase safety all that much. Still, the Las Vegas shooting shows that there... more
                    • The ATF's technical branch is the organization that evaluates and classifies products. They have made some screwy decisions over the years including saying that if you hold something a different way... more
                    • Why make it cheap and easy?Jeeves, Thu Oct 5 9:36am
                      Sales of bump stocks is WAY up because people are worried that they won't be available for long.
                      • I have little doubt...Poppet, Thu Oct 5 9:50pm
                        ...that 3D printer plans for these are already spreading like a virus. I don't in the least object to banning these. They're a cheesy end-around the intent of the regulation of automatic weapons. But ... more
                        • A breath of fresh reasoning. (nm)PH👏🏾👏🏾EY, Fri Oct 6 10:43am
                        • Behavior modificationPikes, Thu Oct 5 10:30pm
                          No policy about guns resolves misuse. If one did the trick, it would leap out and grab out attention. Instead, the same people propose the same old tired arguments, insisting they will work, when... more
                          • Yes, an example is dinasour Jeff Sessions. (nm)PH👏🏾👏🏾EY, Fri Oct 6 10:44am
                          • I'm at a bit of a loss on this one, I fear.Poppet, Fri Oct 6 10:42am
                            Perhaps the answer will indeed be in a scientific approach, based on brain chemistry modification. Obviously identifying candidates for such treatment is at least as challenging as developing the... more
                            • And what would be the vector?PH🔎🔎EY, Fri Oct 6 6:27pm
                              Our atmosphere. The air we breathe. I think a candidate for changing thebrain chemtrailistry has to be nano-top dog American Element Corporation. What a company!
                            • Obviously their spirits collaborated to bring us Donald the Menace. Implementation of any neuroscience intervention, be is surgical, chemical or genetic therapy first requires identification of... more
                              • For years I have blamed these ills PH👁🔎👁EY, Fri Oct 6 12:46pm
                                on the Mickey Mouse Club. Howdy Doody was just the icing on the many layered concoction. The shock was when they all were "killed" in a bus or train wreck. Where was Spock and Seuss when I needed... more
                              • And what is 'normal'? Sprout, Fri Oct 6 12:39pm
                                Even if we could both define and quantify the brain down to the level that we could analyze and predict behaviors of that organ, AND we develop the tools to modify it to alter the desired outcome, to ... more
                            • Especially since most of us really don't careSprout, Fri Oct 6 10:48am
                              about the opinions of those OUTSIDE of our social groups. And our social groups GENERALLY match our ideology on issues like firearms. If some random stranger tells me to get rid of my guns, he can... more
                              • Excellent observation.Poppet, Fri Oct 6 3:28pm
                                There are certainly exceptions, though, although I'd say they only go so far. I am, as you know, quite liberal in my politics...a socialist, in fact. In the overall scheme of things on the left, my... more
                            • At, the good old days. Lobotomies. (nm)PH👻👻EY, Fri Oct 6 10:45am
                      • Always happens...Sprout, Thu Oct 5 9:47am
                        Threaten to ban something and those even barely CONSIDERING the item will likely make the purchase just so they CAN have it down the road if they really decide they want it. And especially in the... more
                        • And banning that which playedPH🔎👁🔎EY, Thu Oct 5 9:54am
                          no role in the massacre. Becayse authority allowed these shooters to set up their lairs in a hotel, then really, the gun control rubric is really nothing but pure BS. Though it is very likely part of ... more
                          • Having qualified expert with the M60...Sprout, Thu Oct 5 10:22am
                            and having qualified expert and competed with M16's and AR platform rifles... And having played with the bump fire stock being discussed, I can say from a fair bit of experience I HIGHLY doubt that... more
                      • Bump stocks? A term unfamiliar to me.PH👁EY, Thu Oct 5 9:47am
                        Are you saying a bump stock is one which has an uptick in sales? And you are referring to guns. Yes, good. People ought to arm themselves. And the AR 15 is about the only real protection, that and a... more
                        • of the story. A bump fire stock is believed to have been the device used by the Las Vegas shooter to increase his rate of fire. Given that, it is totally unsurprising that there is discussion of... more
                          • Apparently that is where your fixation lies. Because there were at least three shooters, maybe a fourth. Come on, stop parroting those lying bastards.
                            • declaring as FACT that you DO know that the whole thing was a "false flag" operation ??? WTF ??? While I suspect that you automatically decided that it wasn't a real attack by a lone shooter and... more
                              • Yes, this Vegas massacre is a false flag op.PH👁🔎👁EY, Thu Oct 5 3:50pm
                                And whether or not a device is fitted to a semi- automatic or not is beside the point. But that is an alledged accusation. So where to you get I have a fixation? I merely post evidence off of IBDY... more
                                • My "ILK" wants to simplify in tandem outrageous claims????? ... Sia☺giah, Fri Oct 6 12:58am
                                  WOW. My "great insight" comes from NOT making "snap judgments" that something is a false flag op without having read up on EVERYTHING I could get my hands on FIRST. All I said to you is that I cannot ... more
                                  • No reason necessary.Poppet, Fri Oct 6 10:31am
                                    "I don't see what possible reason you have for so rudely responding to my observations." All the reason needed is that this is what conspiracy junkies do : they flip their shit at anyone who doesn't... more
                                    • "Clown"?PH😡😡EY, Fri Oct 6 11:26am
                                      This is not dignified to be referring to a contributor as a clown. I find SPROUTS invictive to be less of an insult. There is no theory where there are the facts. Without posting a plethora of links... more
                                      • Spare me your crocodile tears, clown.Poppet, Fri Oct 6 1:56pm
                                        As is typical of conspiracy junkies, you rudely insult those who disagree with you. That leaves you precisely zero room for whingeing about being insulted in return. Zero . If you don't like it, feel ... more
                                        • Do you know of a place for PH⚔⚔EY, Fri Oct 6 6:32pm
                                          people like me? Are there other free and open forums easy to enter no muss no fuss. I hate registering for anything. I would welcome a place that can handle the "buggering."
                                          • IssuesPikes, Fri Oct 6 11:08pm
                                            We can agree to disagree and remain respectful, civil, and even cordial. I don't know if we do that better or worse than other communities. Really not concerned with that, or image. I respond to... more
                                          • But you already post on both Ken and Mondo's boards, both of which are more-or-less anything goes.
                                  • To which "reputable media" do you refer?PH👁🔎👁EY, Fri Oct 6 9:54am
                                    It is inconsequential to the narrative as I see it. Whether it's a Ar 15 or a AR 47, obviously automatic weaponry was utilized. I think we can all agree on that. And whether either is capable of... more
                              • Has my question been answered?PH👻🔎👻EY, Thu Oct 5 3:37pm
                                When my question is answered then I will take on your rant. But it's matters not! Bro you think whatever this is about bump stock changes a video? Or eye witnesses?
                            • Doubtful....Sprout, Thu Oct 5 10:39am
                              I listened to the audio myself. And I personally hear no evidence of multiple shooters engaging targets simultaneously. It is theoretically possible PURELY from the audio data that one shooter... more
                              • Let's not belabor the M60 question.PH🔎👁🔎EY, Thu Oct 5 11:12am
                                It's a sidebar, at best a small lead, at worse a diversion. Whether you want to accept it or not, there was at least three shooters firing at a crowd quite some distance away. That distance might... more
                    • Sorry to be sketchy, but a gun with a '60' designationPH🔎👁🔎EY, Thu Oct 5 9:35am
                      is being assessed by gun experts are the likely weapons used by the shooters. The modified AR 15 seems to not match up to the audio and rapidity of the firing flashes. But even though it's Friday and ... more
                      • Nope....Sprout, Thu Oct 5 9:55am
                        Wrong caliber... I have used the M60 fairly extensively and what I heard on audio does not match it at all. What the audio DOES match pretty well is an AR type platform with a bump fire stock. It... more
                  • Well, let's seeJeeves, Wed Oct 4 11:29am
                    We have a dangerous person armed with a knife. Can they kill people? Yes. How many? http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/ (CNN) At least 19 people were killed and 26... more
                    • I would expect bump stocks to gain a burst ofSprout, Wed Oct 4 11:40am
                      sales due to publicity. When they first came out there was a short burst of sales due to the hype of a new gadget... Then the interest faded. Not surprising to me as this is pretty common with new... more
    • What do you mean...wondering, Tue Oct 3 11:22pm
      by "public ownership of guns"? IMO, this is a very difficult topic to discuss because of all the possible scenarios, but it needs to be discussed. There are or should be limits. That's why we have... more
      • What insanity?PH👻👻EY, Tue Oct 3 11:33pm
        Automatic weapons are illegal. The Mandalay Hotel massacre was automatic fire, not legal guns. So what is all the hue and cry to ban legal private guns?? Why the leap? How can sutomatic machine guns... more
        • " The Mandalay Hotel massacre was automatic fire, not legal guns. " Nope. http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-gunman-bump-stock-automatic-weapon-2017-10 The deadliest shooting in modern US... more
          • That is the same device alledged to bePH💀💀EY, Wed Oct 4 1:01pm
            the faux reason for immolating 90 Branch Davidians back in 1993. So the weapon was alledgedly not a manufactured automatic. The fourth floor shooter was alledgedly using a end run device to... more
            • The device in question had not beenSprout, Wed Oct 4 1:25pm
              invented or on the market in 1993. Sorry.
              • I cannot argue with a gun expert.PH👁🔎👁EY, Fri Oct 6 12:54pm
                And won't try. But you do agree Vernon Howell failed to obtain a federal permit ($500) in order to be "legal" with a "bump stock" device that was available in 1993? That was a big part of the story.... more
                • I do not agree with that...Sprout, Fri Oct 6 1:05pm
                  Because a tax stamp has never been $500. Sorry. That shows that the information you are being given is false. If the first part is false, how can I trust the rest of it? The story as I heard it was... more
                  • The accusation was that hePH😳😳EY, Fri Oct 6 1:32pm
                    had an illegal device that could convert. That is why he invited the federal goons to come down and see for themselves. Maybe he had some kind of conversion kit. Are you saying there was no way to... more
                    • In 1993 there was no way to LEGALLY convertSprout, Fri Oct 6 2:27pm
                      a semi-automatic firearm to a fully automatic firearm unless you are a class III DEALER and it is being registered as a dealer sample. The ATF gets to inspect dealers, whether conventional or... more
                      • I know enough to know CS is banned.PH🔎👀🔎EY, Fri Oct 6 7:03pm
                        From your previous posts one might think it was impossible in 1993 to turn semi into fully. Now you admit it was a fact. Further, you are very flippant about how the ATF operates. There was a witness ... more
          • Why must you accuse a dead man of this crime?PH☠☠EY, Wed Oct 4 10:31am
            Where do you get your information this old man did this dirty deed? AP is known CIA connected liar operation. And has been a propaganda organ for many years. Do you bend over much? Or genuflect to... more
            • You automatically presume that all reports are lies, take the side of conspiracy theorists who rush out of the shadows every time something happens to claim that it's a false flag operation. WHERE do ... more
              • Why must you insult eyewitnesses?PH👁🔎👁EY, Thu Oct 5 4:04pm
                Your precious fake news mainstream media won't interview any who create the question that expose the conspiracy. INDY MEDIA WILL! Therefore I go there to many various sources to look for witness... more
                • Jeeves with your post? Plus, I didn't insult eyewitnesses, I asked if you realized how ridiculous it sounds to other readers ? You immediately dismissed every single report aside of your "Indy"... more
                  • Solid evidence?PH🔎👁🔎EY, Fri Oct 6 10:14am
                    I think at least four cell phones at four locations are proof enough that there was at least three assassins. I mean what kind of standard of proof do require? Why is this ridiculous to other bbs... more
                • seem particularly disgusting. You're actually LYING and apparently willfully lying, to draw attention to yourself. Why?
                  • out of line and inappropriate. I think he's WRONG, but I don't think he's lying. In fact, I'd wager that he honestly believes every word he's saying. That's NOT lying. At most, it's being mistaken.... more
                  • There you go again.PH👁🙄👁EY, Thu Oct 5 4:57pm
                    I try to remain peaceful, granted snappish at times. Butt you have to stick your two cents worth in to create a disturbance based on your notion that you are not only a psychiatrist, but one who is... more
                    • And there you go again with more fake news.HeavyHemi, Thu Oct 5 11:51pm
                      Of course you didn't bother to link to your nonexistent videos. This is my last post to you ever. Your act is disgusting just another version of JB...probably where you got the idea. Same antics,... more
                      • Gosh, please please don't punish me😅PH👻🔎👻EY, Fri Oct 6 10:22am
                        And I have post links to my righteous assertions. Not with everybody. And it is tiresome to post links which no one cares to address as a discussion. I have to prime, nay..beg for a response. But,... more
                        • days ago? Where it was understood that we don't want nor appreciate ridiculous, ugly exchanges without the slightest merit or contribution to a discussion ? You might notice that I also chastised him ... more
                          • And I am in total agreement.PH👀EY, Fri Oct 6 1:36pm
                            My mistake was not ignoring him. Indeed, he is persona non grata. I will have no more dealings with him.
                            • We had a similar agreement over on R&E...and you violated it within 24 hours.
                              • Okay, I violated the R&E arrangement,PH🙄🙄EY, Fri Oct 6 5:45pm
                                a gentleman's agreement. That was there and then. Let's face it, you do not care for my brand of argument. And would prefer I disappear. I get it. But if I tell Siagiah I will not do but one tit for... more
                                • No one cares for that "brand of argument."Poppet, Fri Oct 6 5:54pm
                                  To the degree that insults can be considered a "brand of argument," that is... Lay off insulting people who don't buy into your arguments, and that will put to rest most of my objections. Fail to do... more
                                  • Without belaboring the issue,PH👀EY, Fri Oct 6 6:17pm
                                    some posters look for insults that are not there as any intent on my part. Some are perhaps a bit sensitive. Some are derisive of my esoteric issues. But I will attempt to correct my personality to a ... more
                            • harasses you in spite of you NOT responding in kind, we WILL deal with his behavior privately, which is how it SHOULD be, but usually CAN'T be when two, or more, are at fault for something... more
            • In court, and is tried and found guilty via the official story from law enforcement and the MSM propaganda tool. That is it! Everyone assumes. I assume too that we must not fall for yet another one... more
            • Because the Illuminati told me to do itJeeves, Wed Oct 4 10:36am
              I received their instructions through coded messages which only I can understand. I must obey.
              • Please do not try to marginalizePH👁👁EY, Wed Oct 4 10:49am
                my commentary with insipid insulting avoidance of reality. Apparently you do not understand very much about how false flag ops are carried out.