Robot Space Yeti ZombieTweet of the DecadeWed Oct 4, 2017 5:03pm196.52.39.29@TheNardvark 9 Oct 2015
“Can I get 2 boxes of Sudafed?”
“Sorry, by law you can only buy one at a time.”
“Okay then, just the one box of Sudafed and these 7 guns.”
Why It Is Well Neigh Impossible Merlin, Tue Oct 3 8:51amto have a rational conversation with many people about gun control. They are either 'gun grabbers', or believe that everyone else is a 'gun grabber'.
- Tweet of the Decade Robot Space Yeti Zombie, Wed Oct 4 5:03pm
Guns? Americans can't agree on macaroni and cheese! Pikes, Tue Oct 3 12:53pmOpinions are like ______holes and social media is the accommodating toilet. Some aren't happy unless they argue. If they don't have an argument, they invent one. If their position has no support,... more
Probably because you have not proposed any rationality? PH☠☠EY, Tue Oct 3 9:40amDefine the term. And what is the proposal to place leins on the Second Amendment founded on? Why is there a push to legislate gun control? Does this include the militaries of the world? Are ghetto... more
QED Thanks, PH☠☠EY! Merlin, Tue Oct 3 9:46am
Certainly is difficult when one starts the Sprout, Tue Oct 3 9:26amdiscussion by accusing sides of being irrational... At least START with rational proposals, and you'll have a much better chance.
Regardless Of How You Start Merlin, Tue Oct 3 9:33amif the other person bases his argument on the assumption that everything and anything you say about gun control is a lie to further the goal of seizure of all firearms from everyone by the... more
And if you assume that everything and anything Sprout, Tue Oct 3 9:51amthe other person says is based on a conspiracy theory about seizure, it will prove difficult to have a rational discussion So, start from rationality. Don't start by PRESUMING the person you are... more
I Make No Such Assumption Merlin, Tue Oct 3 10:06amuntil the other person starts talking about a conspiracy theory about seizure. Then, the conversation is over.
I think there ARE a subset of gun control advocates Sprout, Tue Oct 3 10:36amwho DO advocate seizure... Dianne Feinstein, one of the writers and supporters of the Clinton Era 'assault weapons' ban was very open about it. They passed the bill that they could pass. Not the bill ... more
I think you've missed something significant in Merlin's post Sia☺giah, Wed Oct 4 1:18amMerlin Regardless Of How You Start Tue Oct 3, 2017 9:33am 24.228.93.156 if the other person bases his argument on the assumption that everything and anything you say about gun control is a lie to... more
So, you two have listened to ALL of her remarks on Sprout, Wed Oct 4 9:02amfirearms over the years? I know I have listened to MANY. And while that PARTICULAR discussion was about one PARTICULAR law which was addressing only one PARTICULAR type of firearm, if you consider... more Not Really Merlin, Tue Oct 3 11:35amDianne Feinstein, one of the writers and supporters of the Clinton Era 'assault weapons' ban was very open about it. They passed the bill that they could pass. Not the bill they wanted. She was VERY... more
So, to you, does NO ONE else believe as she does? Sprout, Tue Oct 3 11:37amAnd has NO other nation, over a period of time changed its laws from legal firearms, to seizure?
What Feinstein Believes Is Not the Topic, As I Explained. Merlin, Tue Oct 3 11:53amNations have changed their laws regarding firearms to be more restrictive, banning and requiring the surrender of particular classes of firearms.
So, given that nations have changed their laws Sprout, Tue Oct 3 12:02pmto shift from lawfully owned firearms to seizure, AND the fact that senior politicians in our own system DO believe that seizure is the desired end state, do you believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE that it ... more
You Failed: 1. To Prove Feinstein Believes Merlin, Tue Oct 3 12:16pmthat seizure of all firearms from everyone by the Government is the desired end state. 2. I said "Nations have changed their laws regarding firearms to be more restrictive, banning and requiring the... more
I don't have to prove that because I didn't say that.... Sprout, Tue Oct 3 12:17pmYour have failed.
Except that was HIS premise to which you presented Sia☺giah, Wed Oct 4 1:54amDianne Feinstein's proposal of taking CERTAIN firearms. His premise was governmental confiscation of ALL FIREARMS FROM ALL AMERICANS, not "certain firearms", which is what DF proposed. He's tried to... more
Only if you ASSUME that her remarks on that particular Sprout, Wed Oct 4 9:03amlaw were the ONLY remarks she has made on the broader topic of privately owned firearms. I do not because I HAVE heard her discuss the broader topic. But I guess if you insist that an example given... more
Well Spout, we don't assume she made statements you can't... HeavyHemi, Wed Oct 4 1:48pmprove. That would be like making one of your evil assumptions. Then you're apparently arguing since she MIGHT say something like that in the future, THAT makes you right. Truly bizarre and sloppy... more You Remain in a Status of FAIL Merlin, Wed Oct 4 12:18pmbecause after having meticulously Googled yesterday, you failed to find even a single bona fide quote to support what you allegedly heard Diane Feinstein say.
You also meticulously googled her speeches Sprout, Wed Oct 4 12:38pmon the proposed law to ban 50BMG firearms and "medium sniper rifles"? I don't believe it. You meticulously googled her speeches on handguns? Sprout, Wed Oct 4 12:23pmI don't believe that for a minute... And, no, I'm not going to spend hours finding quotes by her to cover every single firearm type she feels you should not have.
Status Upgrade: FATAL FAIL Buh-bye :-) Merlin, Wed Oct 4 1:33pm" You Remain in a Status of FAIL: because after having meticulously Googled yesterday, you failed to find even a single bona fide quote to support what you allegedly heard Diane Feinstein say."
Sure.... you're done... Sprout, Wed Oct 4 1:51pmHide from the facts and keep your assumption that anyone who is concerned about seizure is just a crazy conspiracy theorist... It means you don't have to offer any RATIONAL solutions yourself. Yes,... more
Nice tantrum. However, you were arguing assumptions. HeavyHemi, Wed Oct 4 2:47pmIt isn't everyone else, it's you. Great post, Sprout!! (nm) PH👏🏾👏🏾👏, Tue Oct 3 10:49am Well, there ARE conspiracies. PH👁EY, Tue Oct 3 10:25amSo why limit yourself to rejecting that about which you are displaying the same irrational dismissal? It seems like an unfair mental block on your part. Let's start out by assuming we all agree PH🙄🙄EY, Tue Oct 3 9:43amthat it makes no sense to assume the Second Amendment implies the People do not have right to own howitzers and tanks.
Let's correct that post: PH🙄👀EY, Tue Oct 3 9:50amThe Second Amendment does not imply that the Citizenry ought to have personal ownership of howitzers and tanks. Other than that I see no need for gun laws except perhaps regarding FULLY automatic... more
Let's look at the 2nd Amemdment's purposes... Sprout, Tue Oct 3 9:55amAmong all the lawful reasons the people should have a right to keep and bear arms, the Amendment specifically notes militia service as a reason why that right is necessary to a free state... So,... more
Would modern military welcome a civilian militia in battle? Jeeves, Tue Oct 3 10:38am" Historically militia's will serve WITH standing military forces. I would certainly agree that militiamen are unlikely to be expected to arrive bringing tanks, howitzers, fighter jets, bombers, or... more
I think a good example would be the British in WWII... Sprout, Tue Oct 3 11:23amEVERBODY trained to whatever degree possible. Sometimes they had weapons, sometimes they were just farmers with pitchforks, but they were trying to prepare for if the German military did cross the... more The US military hasn't TRULY been stressed Sprout, Tue Oct 3 11:10amsince WWII in terms of running EVERTHING they have to the max. Building weapons and vehicles as fast as possible, training recruits as fast as possible, pushing everything across the ocean as fast as ... more Given the incredible high tech dmpowerment PH☠☠EY, Tue Oct 3 10:46amto the push button warriors, and the incredible massive destruction including conventional weapons, your post has the slight pallor of an antique concept. A responding militia in your scenario is... more
Yeah, that's what I said Jeeves, Tue Oct 3 10:58am" A responding militia in your scenario is passé, and irrelevant. " Exactly.
Different roles though... Sprout, Tue Oct 3 11:36amIf we look at total war scenario's there are plenty of jobs that won't need front line troops, but would be better done by someone with a rifle who knows how to do it. I was not specifically targeting PH👀EY, Tue Oct 3 10:21amTrump. But used his imperial edict as a example . The ban on travel to Cuba was unconstitutional. And a lot less complicated to grasp than the dodgey hair splitting parsing of terms re. the Second... more