Amadeus
I Don't Know...
Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:43pm
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I have been wrestling with this. Are both of them unworthy to sit in the Senate?

I don't think so.

There are more than just differences in the accusations themselves. There are differences in how they reacted to being confronted with the accusations.

Everyone has things in their past that they would likely not want to have become public. The best case scenario is that a person would go back and seek forgiveness and seek to make amends before being accused publicly. In that case, it is less likely that the accusations would ever become public. Sometimes, that just isn't feasible, and sometimes the person just isn't that changed. But they may have put such behaviors behind them. In that case, when accusations are made public, have they changed to the point that they can take responsibility at that point? Doing so is arguably more difficult, now that it's a public matter. The temptation is often there to deny - especially when there may not be any evidence remaining to substantiate the accusation.

Do I think that Franken should avoid any further consequences? Not at all. Censure, certainly. And perhaps more. Franken's accuser has said that she is satisfied with his apology and does not seek to have him removed from office. Now, if a string of women come forward, I would reconsider.

Do I think Franken should choose to step down? I think it would be a wise thing to do, especially if he knows that there are more who could come forward. People so rarely take the advice to "get out in front of this thing" - they would rather hope that somehow, they'll slide through.

On the other hand, Franken comes from the world of entertainment and performance. He could probably deliver a lightning rod address on the topic that would change his narrative. He can only do that, however, from his glass house. He has to make sure there aren't any more stones lying around.

Amadeus

  • guilty of sexual harassment and as such ethically unworthy of sitting in the Senate, I'm thinking. How long ago the incidents occurred, the number of victims, the age of the victims, their political... more
    • I Don't Know... — Amadeus, Mon Nov 20 3:43pm
      • All those years where she could have PH💋💋EY, Wed Nov 22 2:03pm
        contacted Frankenstein. She could have told him how she felt. She could have asked him to apologize. This was an issue between the two. He was not a political public figure. All these years...... Why ... more
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        • Not Much Of A Meteor...Amadeus, Tue Nov 21 9:51am
          More of a pebble, but still - I'll take the victim at their word. Amadeus
          • A Particularly Vile and Nasty "Pebble"Merlin, Tue Nov 21 1:54pm
            Franken had just met Lindsay Menz and her husband, does not know them from Adam and Eve, and smilingly proceeds to degrade her in front of her husband just for his own perverted shits and giggles,... more
            • Really?Amadeus, Tue Nov 21 2:50pm
              You don't feel there is ANY hyperbole involved there? I read and reread the description of the incident. His hand was on her butt. Just on it. Not that I'm happy to have to parse that description,... more