There is a significant difference... If a random guy grabbed my ass, one of us is going to have the crap beaten out of us. Him or me depending on relative physical size and hand to hand combat skill. ... more
are making a serious error in how WOMEN react. Better for you to ASK women how it feels to them and what options they REASONABLY have under such circumstances. Surely you KNOW that women are weaker... more
just as we want to examine how men behave... If we, as a society are decrying things like "toxic masculinity" and pushing for men to be less and less masculine, why should we NOT also look for women... more
women should be expected to react physically to a physical or sexual assault. Should they speak up then and there and not wait until years later? Yes, of course. But there are many reasons women have ... more
Once again...here's YOU "There is a significant difference... If a random guy grabbed my ass, one of us is going to have the crap beaten out of us. Him or me depending on relative physical size and... more
The enabling has to stop, and that is what we see happening right now. The culture has to change, and that is never easy. It is complicated. If you were standing in front of a camera, and some... more
Trouble with many females fighting back is they're alone with the male. Help is generally not available. By submitting to the rape, it is like playing dead with a predator. She hopes he will sniff... more
But in many cases, women are still alone even when they are not alone with the guy. When they reported on what the guy did to them, they were told, "Oh, that's just Harvey being Harvey." Kind of... more
I may win, I may lose. I haven't won every fight I have been in. What do you think would have happened had the woman, when Franken grabbed her ass, gave him a good clean slap across the face? On... more
That's the trouble I have with this story. She was not alone with him. What man grabs a woman's ass in public with her hubby taking the photo? It doesn't make sense, and if things don't make sense,... more
been corrected. A behavior that is being enabled frequently gets worse. The individual will keep pushing until he or she finds the limits. A dog will do the same thing. How many times did he grab ass ... more
Not waited until N years later when the issue was made political. Especially since she had all the support she needed right there taking the photo! If it was my beloved, I would not only make a... more
in China? Do you think that Franken is acting based on the fact that he thinks he is in one of those nations where a man grabbing a woman's ass in public is seen as a compliment by many? While I... more
that females who are drunk and alone may be harassed by young single males... I'm not sure that would not be true anywhere. It also pointed out that DRUNK females are less likely to find sympathy in... more
are not the same for most any place in the world. I just watched a video that DFM posted on the R&E board where the groom slapped his new bride sharply in the face, I presume to show his 'authority'... more
Agreed: Fair or not, enabling the behavior has to stop. — Merelin,Tue Nov 28 9:20am
That if a dog craps on the carpet, you are worried more about other dogs in the house correcting the behavior than you are the owner correcting the behavior... When you are training a new puppy to... more
training is the immediate correction. Positive reinforcement of good behaviors is a good thing. And creating a positive environment where positive behaviors are rewarded is also a good thing. And so... more
In then case of a man such as Weinstein, an actress is in a very poor position to correct him, as his predation over 30 years proves. For someone like Weinstein you need peer pressure. Also, peer... more
multiple times in the past? Because in the example we have been discussing, NO correction was given. The individual neither did, nor said, anything to the offender at all. Nor did anyone else in the... more
who has been grabbing ass for decades and when his entourage is made aware of an incident they brush it off as it's just Daddy Bush being Daddy bush. Women have had very real and valid reasons for... more
actyions which is why peer pressure is critical to encourage the volume of immediate corrective action, and ensure the success of immediate corrective action.
And, for some reason are presuming them to be ineffective for some reason... I suspect is that you are desperately trying to push responsibility on anyone BUT the victim.
woman DID COMPLAIN and was shot down with "That's just Bush being Bush" ???????? She is a powerless victim who used what was AVAILABLE TO HER. Telling others what he did to her. NO ONE CARED. THAT IS ... more
what Sprout is saying is that if the woman doesn't immediately slap or punch the offender and risk being punched back (or possibly even killed) by a much stronger person, and risk being fired,... more
they didn't say "Stop!' or "No" at the time? Some guys don't seem to get the message, even when it is clear that their advances are not wanted or appreciated. Or maybe they do get the message, but... more
his INTENDED message or not is not quite as clear. IMHO, his actual intended message is "Look at me! I'd punch the offender out because I'm a tough guy and I do whatever I have to do, even if I get... more
That you are blatantly dishonest in your characterization of her posts. We get it, you believe that unless a women physically confronts you immediately and screams no in your face repeatedly, she... more
that there are significant numbers of men, though probably far fewer than women, who have also been sexually harassed and assaulted. Sprout has already indicated that he would not appreciate someone... more
A gentle no is as resolute and forceful as a bold, or an aggressive no. It doesn't mean proceed, or yes, or rape. No is no. It is sad when gropers like Trump, and Weinstein, or abusers like Lauer,... more
and Franken refused to relent. Weinsten made a number of settlements with women. As did O'Reilly. Charlie Rose was corrected numerous times by his victims, but he persisted. When they escalated the... more
he pursued relations with Lewinsky and other women. Reply may be the most truthful thing the man ever said. "Because I could." It seems when some men attain positions of celebrity and power,... more
Starr had been hunting for something anything, to bring down Clinton and he had managed to successfully dodge every bullet with his name on it. To engage in oral intercourse with Lewinsky in the Oval ... more
So, I guess if the dog chews up the slippers and you punish him for it tomorrow that is "immediate" to you.... Might want to look up the definition of that word.
Takes more than a few hours or days to file a lawsuit. In any case, whether it took an hour or a week, it failed to reform Weinstein or prevent him from committing the same sexual assaults again and... more
A lack of immediacy is a significant problem in training, whether it be humans or dogs. Immediacy in correction is what BEST enables the trainee to mentally connect the penalty to be behavior. Just... more
rolled up newspapers hitting their noses to correct them. Humans GET IT even years later. That's the nature of humans. Are you actually a canine, causing you to relate to dog behavior training for... more
Meanwhile everyone else realizes life is a little more complex than Spout. Of course you should have realized the correction should not be needed to begin with... but even worse, then you argue it is ... more
Because that seems to only happen when you can't defend your point unless you demand only a single narrow interpretation of the word instead of how everyone else uses it. There's a reason you just... more
Who is BEST able to immediately correct undesirable behavior? The person who FIRST becomes aware of it... And, in these cases, it will be the persons whose ass was grabbed yes?