Civilized General Discussion - Which corrections were ignored? (nm)

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Sprout
Which corrections were ignored? (nm)
Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:02pm
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Weinstein's or Rose's Record Proves On the Spot Correction — Does Not Always Work Very Well or At All - Merlin, Tue Nov 28 3:00pm

Thus, the need for Peer Pressure both to prevent and rectify such behaviour.

Which corrections were ignored? (nm) — Sprout, Tue Nov 28 6:02pm
Obviously, All of Them Until Now. (nm) — Merlin, Tue Nov 28 6:48pm

Are you assuming immediate corrections were given — Sprouit, Wed Nov 29 7:59am

multiple times in the past? Because in the example we have been discussing, NO correction was given. The individual neither did, nor said, anything to the offender at all. Nor did anyone else in the... more
I Forgot To Mention Daddy Bush — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 9:28am

who has been grabbing ass for decades and when his entourage is made aware of an incident they brush it off as it's just Daddy Bush being Daddy bush. Women have had very real and valid reasons for... more
So, you agree that there haven't been — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 9:51am

immediate corrective actions... Fixing that shortage is key.
I agree haven't been enough successful immediate corrective — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 1:18pm

actyions which is why peer pressure is critical to encourage the volume of immediate corrective action, and ensure the success of immediate corrective action.
You haven't seen any immediate corrective actions... — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 2:12pm

And, for some reason are presuming them to be ineffective for some reason... I suspect is that you are desperately trying to push responsibility on anyone BUT the victim.
I Gave You Examples of Immediate Corrective Actions — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 2:38pm

and why they were unsuccessful. If you choose not to see the examples...
No you did not.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:13pm

Suing someone takes weeks or months to set up.... That fits NOBODY's definition of "immediate" except your spinning desperate attempt to make it fit.
Daddy Bush Was Not Sued - His Entourage Shrugged it Off — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 3:37pm

when they were told at the time saying it's just Daddy Bush being Daddy bush.
Yet anohter example of NO immediate correction.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 4:37pm

I'm still waiting for an example of an immediate correction that failed.
WTF is making you incapable of understanding that the — Sia☺giah, Sun Dec 3 12:35am

woman DID COMPLAIN and was shot down with "That's just Bush being Bush" ???????? She is a powerless victim who used what was AVAILABLE TO HER. Telling others what he did to her. NO ONE CARED. THAT IS ... more
Complaining to OTHER PEOPLE is NOT the same.... duh. (nm) — Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:42am

I take it that.... — wondering, Sun Dec 3 6:23am

what Sprout is saying is that if the woman doesn't immediately slap or punch the offender and risk being punched back (or possibly even killed) by a much stronger person, and risk being fired,... more
Or otherwise IMMEDIATELY correct the problem... — Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:43am

Not wait until later. Or complain to other people... How about simple "Stop!" in a clear and loud voice? How unreasonable is that?
Why do you think... — wondering, Wed Dec 6 1:13am

they didn't say "Stop!' or "No" at the time? Some guys don't seem to get the message, even when it is clear that their advances are not wanted or appreciated. Or maybe they do get the message, but... more
Events recorded in some cases... — Sprout, Wed Dec 6 4:02pm

And statements in others...
That is precisely what his words have said. Whether that's — Sia☺giah, Sun Dec 3 10:00am

his INTENDED message or not is not quite as clear. IMHO, his actual intended message is "Look at me! I'd punch the offender out because I'm a tough guy and I do whatever I have to do, even if I get... more
Amazing how quickly you go from... — Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:44am

"I am woman, hear me roar." to "I am a weak and helpless victim."
On the other hand it is not amazing... — HeavyHemi, Tue Dec 5 1:09pm

That you are blatantly dishonest in your characterization of her posts. We get it, you believe that unless a women physically confronts you immediately and screams no in your face repeatedly, she... more
I would think... — wondering, Sun Dec 3 12:06pm

that there are significant numbers of men, though probably far fewer than women, who have also been sexually harassed and assaulted. Sprout has already indicated that he would not appreciate someone... more
Well said. (nm) — Sia☺giah, Mon Dec 4 2:35am

Meanwhile, back in the Senate... — Pikes, Sun Dec 3 12:48pm

A gentle no is as resolute and forceful as a bold, or an aggressive no. It doesn't mean proceed, or yes, or rape. No is no. It is sad when gropers like Trump, and Weinstein, or abusers like Lauer,... more
Leeann Tweeden Explicitly Spurned Franken's Sexual Advances — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 8:50am

and Franken refused to relent. Weinsten made a number of settlements with women. As did O'Reilly. Charlie Rose was corrected numerous times by his victims, but he persisted. When they escalated the... more
"spurned advance" is not a corrective action... — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 9:48am

And threatening to sue later is not an immediate corrective action either.
Of course it is a corrective action, one that often nips — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 1:23pm

sexual harassment in the bud. Suing immediately and receiving a settlement is of course an immediate corrective action.
Bill Clinton was asked why — Pikes, Wed Nov 29 2:34pm

he pursued relations with Lewinsky and other women. Reply may be the most truthful thing the man ever said. "Because I could." It seems when some men attain positions of celebrity and power,... more
Power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely.... (nm) — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:16pm

Convenient platitude (nm) — Pikes, Wed Nov 29 8:10pm

Human nature... — Sprout, Thu Nov 30 7:24am

Any plan to correct a perceived problem that fails to take it into account is doomed to fail. Marx is a great example of this
I Seriously Question Clinton's Sanity Regarding Lewinsky — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 2:45pm

Starr had been hunting for something anything, to bring down Clinton and he had managed to successfully dodge every bullet with his name on it. To engage in oral intercourse with Lewinsky in the Oval ... more
LOL... — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 2:10pm

So, I guess if the dog chews up the slippers and you punish him for it tomorrow that is "immediate" to you.... Might want to look up the definition of that word.
Let's Stick to Reality Rather Than Your Canine Fantasies. — Merlin, Wed Nov 29 2:50pm

Takes more than a few hours or days to file a lawsuit. In any case, whether it took an hour or a week, it failed to reform Weinstein or prevent him from committing the same sexual assaults again and... more
Yes, it takes more than a few hours or days — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:14pm

to file a lawsuit... which is why that is NOT am immediate response.
Split Semantic Hairs While You Ignore the Example I Gave You — Regarding Charlie Rose. - Merlin, Wed Nov 29 3:49pm

You're done, well done. ;-)
I ignore an invalid example.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 4:39pm

A lack of immediacy is a significant problem in training, whether it be humans or dogs. Immediacy in correction is what BEST enables the trainee to mentally connect the penalty to be behavior. Just... more
HUMANS understand language. They do NOT require — Sia☺giah, Mon Dec 4 2:42am

rolled up newspapers hitting their noses to correct them. Humans GET IT even years later. That's the nature of humans. Are you actually a canine, causing you to relate to dog behavior training for... more
The concept is IMMEDIACY... not one of communication tools.. — Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:41am

Language later does NOT have the same effect as language immediately... Or do you think waiting till later to correct behavior is the better method?
You believe language is not a correction. — HeavyHemi, Tue Dec 5 12:03pm

You believe the only form of correction is some sort of instant physical response. Too you simply saying no, is 'maybe'. Kids now days...
Language can be a correction IF it is — Sprout, Tue Dec 5 12:10pm

used properly and IMMEDIATELY... Complaining to someone else later is not.
Oh...back to only your precise meaning is applicable. — HeavyHemi, Tue Dec 5 1:06pm

Meanwhile everyone else realizes life is a little more complex than Spout. Of course you should have realized the correction should not be needed to begin with... but even worse, then you argue it is ... more
Immediately is relative. — HeavyHemi, Wed Nov 29 2:28pm

As soon as possible qualifies would fit into that paradigm.
LOL.... sure.... — Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:14pm

I'll get back to you in a week or so... that's "immediate"... LOL
You demanding a word has only one meaning is funny. — HeavyHemi, Thu Nov 30 1:47pm

Because that seems to only happen when you can't defend your point unless you demand only a single narrow interpretation of the word instead of how everyone else uses it. There's a reason you just... more

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