SproutWhich corrections were ignored? (nm)Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:02pm2600:100d:b102:2a50:edb6:93f:6f75:791a
Weinstein's or Rose's Record Proves On the Spot Correction Does Not Always Work Very Well or At All - Merlin, Tue Nov 28 3:00pmThus, the need for Peer Pressure both to prevent and rectify such behaviour.
- Which corrections were ignored? (nm) Sprout, Tue Nov 28 6:02pm
Obviously, All of Them Until Now. (nm) Merlin, Tue Nov 28 6:48pm
Are you assuming immediate corrections were given Sprouit, Wed Nov 29 7:59ammultiple times in the past? Because in the example we have been discussing, NO correction was given. The individual neither did, nor said, anything to the offender at all. Nor did anyone else in the... more
I Forgot To Mention Daddy Bush Merlin, Wed Nov 29 9:28amwho has been grabbing ass for decades and when his entourage is made aware of an incident they brush it off as it's just Daddy Bush being Daddy bush. Women have had very real and valid reasons for... more
So, you agree that there haven't been Sprout, Wed Nov 29 9:51amimmediate corrective actions... Fixing that shortage is key.
I agree haven't been enough successful immediate corrective Merlin, Wed Nov 29 1:18pmactyions which is why peer pressure is critical to encourage the volume of immediate corrective action, and ensure the success of immediate corrective action.
You haven't seen any immediate corrective actions... Sprout, Wed Nov 29 2:12pmAnd, for some reason are presuming them to be ineffective for some reason... I suspect is that you are desperately trying to push responsibility on anyone BUT the victim.
I Gave You Examples of Immediate Corrective Actions Merlin, Wed Nov 29 2:38pmand why they were unsuccessful. If you choose not to see the examples...
No you did not.... Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:13pmSuing someone takes weeks or months to set up.... That fits NOBODY's definition of "immediate" except your spinning desperate attempt to make it fit.
Daddy Bush Was Not Sued - His Entourage Shrugged it Off Merlin, Wed Nov 29 3:37pmwhen they were told at the time saying it's just Daddy Bush being Daddy bush.
Yet anohter example of NO immediate correction.... Sprout, Wed Nov 29 4:37pmI'm still waiting for an example of an immediate correction that failed.
WTF is making you incapable of understanding that the Sia☺giah, Sun Dec 3 12:35amwoman DID COMPLAIN and was shot down with "That's just Bush being Bush" ???????? She is a powerless victim who used what was AVAILABLE TO HER. Telling others what he did to her. NO ONE CARED. THAT IS ... more
Complaining to OTHER PEOPLE is NOT the same.... duh. (nm) Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:42am I take it that.... wondering, Sun Dec 3 6:23amwhat Sprout is saying is that if the woman doesn't immediately slap or punch the offender and risk being punched back (or possibly even killed) by a much stronger person, and risk being fired,... more
Or otherwise IMMEDIATELY correct the problem... Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:43amNot wait until later. Or complain to other people... How about simple "Stop!" in a clear and loud voice? How unreasonable is that?
Why do you think... wondering, Wed Dec 6 1:13amthey didn't say "Stop!' or "No" at the time? Some guys don't seem to get the message, even when it is clear that their advances are not wanted or appreciated. Or maybe they do get the message, but... more
Events recorded in some cases... Sprout, Wed Dec 6 4:02pmAnd statements in others... That is precisely what his words have said. Whether that's Sia☺giah, Sun Dec 3 10:00amhis INTENDED message or not is not quite as clear. IMHO, his actual intended message is "Look at me! I'd punch the offender out because I'm a tough guy and I do whatever I have to do, even if I get... more
Amazing how quickly you go from... Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:44am"I am woman, hear me roar." to "I am a weak and helpless victim."
On the other hand it is not amazing... HeavyHemi, Tue Dec 5 1:09pmThat you are blatantly dishonest in your characterization of her posts. We get it, you believe that unless a women physically confronts you immediately and screams no in your face repeatedly, she... more I would think... wondering, Sun Dec 3 12:06pmthat there are significant numbers of men, though probably far fewer than women, who have also been sexually harassed and assaulted. Sprout has already indicated that he would not appreciate someone... more
Well said. (nm) Sia☺giah, Mon Dec 4 2:35am Meanwhile, back in the Senate... Pikes, Sun Dec 3 12:48pmA gentle no is as resolute and forceful as a bold, or an aggressive no. It doesn't mean proceed, or yes, or rape. No is no. It is sad when gropers like Trump, and Weinstein, or abusers like Lauer,... more Leeann Tweeden Explicitly Spurned Franken's Sexual Advances Merlin, Wed Nov 29 8:50amand Franken refused to relent. Weinsten made a number of settlements with women. As did O'Reilly. Charlie Rose was corrected numerous times by his victims, but he persisted. When they escalated the... more
"spurned advance" is not a corrective action... Sprout, Wed Nov 29 9:48amAnd threatening to sue later is not an immediate corrective action either.
Of course it is a corrective action, one that often nips Merlin, Wed Nov 29 1:23pmsexual harassment in the bud. Suing immediately and receiving a settlement is of course an immediate corrective action.
Bill Clinton was asked why Pikes, Wed Nov 29 2:34pmhe pursued relations with Lewinsky and other women. Reply may be the most truthful thing the man ever said. "Because I could." It seems when some men attain positions of celebrity and power,... more
Power corrupts... absolute power corrupts absolutely.... (nm) Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:16pm
Convenient platitude (nm) Pikes, Wed Nov 29 8:10pm
Human nature... Sprout, Thu Nov 30 7:24amAny plan to correct a perceived problem that fails to take it into account is doomed to fail. Marx is a great example of this I Seriously Question Clinton's Sanity Regarding Lewinsky Merlin, Wed Nov 29 2:45pmStarr had been hunting for something anything, to bring down Clinton and he had managed to successfully dodge every bullet with his name on it. To engage in oral intercourse with Lewinsky in the Oval ... more LOL... Sprout, Wed Nov 29 2:10pmSo, I guess if the dog chews up the slippers and you punish him for it tomorrow that is "immediate" to you.... Might want to look up the definition of that word.
Let's Stick to Reality Rather Than Your Canine Fantasies. Merlin, Wed Nov 29 2:50pmTakes more than a few hours or days to file a lawsuit. In any case, whether it took an hour or a week, it failed to reform Weinstein or prevent him from committing the same sexual assaults again and... more
Yes, it takes more than a few hours or days Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:14pmto file a lawsuit... which is why that is NOT am immediate response.
Split Semantic Hairs While You Ignore the Example I Gave You Regarding Charlie Rose. - Merlin, Wed Nov 29 3:49pmYou're done, well done. ;-)
I ignore an invalid example.... Sprout, Wed Nov 29 4:39pmA lack of immediacy is a significant problem in training, whether it be humans or dogs. Immediacy in correction is what BEST enables the trainee to mentally connect the penalty to be behavior. Just... more
HUMANS understand language. They do NOT require Sia☺giah, Mon Dec 4 2:42amrolled up newspapers hitting their noses to correct them. Humans GET IT even years later. That's the nature of humans. Are you actually a canine, causing you to relate to dog behavior training for... more
The concept is IMMEDIACY... not one of communication tools.. Sprout, Tue Dec 5 10:41amLanguage later does NOT have the same effect as language immediately... Or do you think waiting till later to correct behavior is the better method?
You believe language is not a correction. HeavyHemi, Tue Dec 5 12:03pmYou believe the only form of correction is some sort of instant physical response. Too you simply saying no, is 'maybe'. Kids now days...
Language can be a correction IF it is Sprout, Tue Dec 5 12:10pmused properly and IMMEDIATELY... Complaining to someone else later is not.
Oh...back to only your precise meaning is applicable. HeavyHemi, Tue Dec 5 1:06pmMeanwhile everyone else realizes life is a little more complex than Spout. Of course you should have realized the correction should not be needed to begin with... but even worse, then you argue it is ... more Immediately is relative. HeavyHemi, Wed Nov 29 2:28pmAs soon as possible qualifies would fit into that paradigm.
LOL.... sure.... Sprout, Wed Nov 29 3:14pmI'll get back to you in a week or so... that's "immediate"... LOL
You demanding a word has only one meaning is funny. HeavyHemi, Thu Nov 30 1:47pmBecause that seems to only happen when you can't defend your point unless you demand only a single narrow interpretation of the word instead of how everyone else uses it. There's a reason you just... more