wondering
So many things can be taken to extremes.
Sun Dec 3, 2017 10:27am
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Many Christians are supposedly (according to their religious principles and edicts) against premarital sex, divorce and remarriage, etc. But how many actively discriminate against unmarried heterosexual couples who live together, or people who are divorced and wish to remarry? I would guess that the cake maker did not ask or question other couples who were getting married for the second, third or fourth time whether the cake they ordered complied with his religious convictions. How often did the baker ask a heterosexual couple if it was their first or "legitimate" marriage before he would bake them a cake?

Yes, that same sex couple probably could have easily found another cake shop that would have served them, but if a significant number of people actively claimed the right to discriminate against others... not just in speech or thought but in deed... who are doing something they disagree with on religious principles, you would have a real mess in society. You could have doctors or pharmacists who refuse to provide birth control to unmarried AND even married couples or individuals... doctors who refuse to treat STDs, doctors who refuse to deliver babies born to unwed mothers, landlords who refuse to provide housing to unwed couples... and the list goes on.

I agree... baking a cake is not constitutionally protected speech.

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    • The way I see it...Truthteller, Wed Dec 6 3:14pm
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    • My views on thisEx-News Junkie, Tue Dec 5 10:04pm
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      • Good Faith...Amadeus, Wed Dec 6 2:52pm
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    • Because they "can."Pikes, Sun Dec 3 10:43pm
      Just because one can, doesn't mean one should. There is enough tension in this subject to energize humanity forever. The wind up key doesn't need more turning.
    • It's a very sticky situation, for sure.Sia☺giah, Sun Dec 3 10:36am
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      • The Man Doesn't Make Halloween Cakes...Amadeus, Tue Dec 5 9:18pm
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      • This Is About a wedding Cake, NotMerlin, Sun Dec 3 11:20am
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        • ALL wedding cakes are eaten in halls Sia☺giah, Sun Dec 3 6:38pm
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    • So many things can be taken to extremes. — wondering, Sun Dec 3 10:27am
      • celebration cakes for anything but "weddings". IMHO, that WAS protected free speech ETHICALLY, even though not legally. He did not seek to discriminate against gays. He had many gay customers. Gay... more
        • I'm not so sure about that.wondering, Wed Dec 6 1:00am
          When did he ever make gay or gay themed celebration cakes? A birthday cake for a gay person is not a gay-themed cake. Maybe he was polite and didn't overtly show hatred toward gay people, but I... more