SES
Very similar to the Atheist "burden of proof" situation.
Mon Oct 1, 2018 9:15am
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Theists are making the assertion (allegation) that god(s) exist.

Atheists reject (deny) that assertion (allegation).

It isn't the Atheist's burden to prove the negative - that the assertion (allegation) is false.

It's the Theist's burden to prove that the assertion (allegation) is true.

  • Allegations and DenialsMerlin, Mon Oct 1 9:03am
    Allegations and Denials Definition of Allegation 1 : the act of alleging something 2 : a positive assertion especially of misconduct Some former colleagues have made serious allegations against him.... more
    • when it comes to allegations of CRIMES, the accused it SUPPOSED to enjoy the presumption of innocence. I would agree that neither has inherently any more weight than the other. So, if we dismiss... more
      • public opinion. (Re: the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty) Absolutely not in a situation where someone is nominated to the SCOTUS and is accused of serious crimes or for any highly... more
      • Such an investigation would provide more evidence than he/said she said upon which to make a decision, be it in a Court Of Law or the Court of Public Opinion. That both the Republicans and Kavanaugh... more
        • And from what analysts have statedSprout, Mon Oct 1 6:11pm
          fairly repeatedly, there is insufficient evidence to move forward with ANY sort of legal proceedings against Kavanaugh. What more evidence to you see? Some 30 year old stained dress? They already... more
          • instituted, it's about whether or not the accusations seem to have any merit. Add to that all of the fairly obvious lies he's told UNDER OATH and he's just plain NOT worthy of being on the SCOTUS or... more
          • You Mean The "Testimony" That Says...Amadeus, Mon Oct 1 8:32pm
            ...Judge doesn't remember anything like that happening? Do you suppose the FBI would like to ask him about binge drinking and possible blackouts and memory loss? Do you think that a little probing of ... more
            • alleged? Of course someone with an ax to grind wants to USE the investigation of this alleged CRIME to INSTEAD simply try to find ANYTHING negative about the nominee. But it isn't the criminal... more
              • investigation on a SCOTUS nominee IS to dig up anything negative about the nominee that would disqualify him... It's reopened because of a disqualifying accusation, but that doesn't change the actual ... more
              • Those Other Details...Amadeus, Tue Oct 2 11:43am
                ...were brought up to corroborate his character at the time, and he defended himself by explaining them away. If it is discovered that he lied in his explanations, what is one to think? It may not... more
              • Golly... if you lie in one thing...HeavyHemi, Tue Oct 2 10:56am
                Maybe you should watch some Perry Mason. If he's flat out lying about his drinking, how aggressive he was, and other witnesses can say he has episodes of being a violent black out, 'Club Ralf'... more
            • I'm bothered by that prosecutors 'report'HeavyHemi, Mon Oct 1 10:41pm
              that there wasn't enough 'evidence'. She's not even seen all the evidence.... more
          • I am not. No one should.
            • Those attorneys are not analyzing Sprout, Mon Oct 1 6:52pm
              evidence that may or may not exist. They are analyzing the data that DOES exist. Including retired prosecutors who say there is simply no EVIDENCE to conclude a crime exists... So, again, if this is... more
              • Yes, The Evidence Is Not Yet All In.Merlin, Mon Oct 1 6:55pm
                Any conclusions based on their limited analysis is premature.
                • That is certainly one possibility...Sprout, Mon Oct 1 7:35pm
                  It is certainly possible that some new eye-witness will crop up. That some piece of physical evidence could come to light. Certainly those HOPING most strongly that SOMETHING more will come out are... more
                  • of his own volition after watching or reading the hearings and being inspired to come forward to testify regarding Kavanaugh. Chances are a few more will step forward or contacted by the FBI. Whether ... more
    • Very similar to the Atheist "burden of proof" situation. — SES, Mon Oct 1 9:15am
      • Very Similar Indeed.Merlin, Mon Oct 1 9:39am
        Legally, the burden of proof is upon the plaintiff. The defendant can simply deny the allegation, as did Manafort. Legally, the burden of proof is upon the plaintiff. In the Court of Public Opinion... more
      • Depends On The ContextAmadeus, Mon Oct 1 9:23am
        Try that argument in church. Amadeus
        • Theist: "You can't prove that my god DOESN'T exist!" Atheist: "Can YOU prove that invisible pink flying elephants don't exist?" Theist: "No one can PROVE that invisible pink flying elephants DON'T... more
          • Well, Can You?Amadeus, Mon Oct 1 12:17pm
            You can't prove that invisible, pink, flying elephants don't exist, can you? You can't. So? Neither you nor the theist you oppose has any evidence they exist nor any desire to prove they exist.... more
            • ???SES, Mon Oct 1 1:32pm
              "Neither you nor the theist you oppose has any evidence they exist nor any desire to prove they exist. However, the theist may wish to offer some evidence (not proof, mind you) of the existence of... more
              • Your Analogy Is Flawed...Amadeus, Mon Oct 1 4:12pm
                By comparing their god(s) to IPEs (which you assume everyone agrees do not exist), you presume the god(s) nonexistence which is, of course, the thing about which you disagree with the theist. You... more
            • Of course we cannot prove thatSprout, Mon Oct 1 1:31pm
              invisible, pink flying elephants do not exist... Yet, at the same time, any reasonable and rational person would not make any serious real world decision that DEPENDS on the existence of invisible,... more
              • Here, Let Me Try Again...Amadeus, Mon Oct 1 4:12pm
                http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=206964;article=698454;title=Civilized%20General%20Discussion
              • This Is A Good Example Why Y'all Should Avoid Making OrAddressing Analogies - Merlin, Mon Oct 1 2:47pm
                Analogies are useful when both parties understand what an analogy is and what are an analogy's valid uses. Otherwise one or both parties go off track to argue the analogy instead of the issue.
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