Sprout
There are a number of problems with
Thu Nov 1, 2018 1:27pm
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"compulsory" voting.

1. What is the value of a vote by someone who doesn't want to vote? Is there vote a considered vote? Or is it just marking the first block on the page because they are required to mark SOMETHING?

2. How do you TRULY make it compulsory? What tools do you plan to use to FORCE people to vote? Arrest/incarcerate/fine anyone who fails to vote? Go out and DRAG people to the polls and MAKE them vote?

If we want to work on equality, then we should also end the federal tax exemption on state taxes which forces those who live in low tax states to subsidize those who live in high tax states.

  • and probably time to alter our electoral system so that reflects the will of the majority rather than the will of acreage.
    • doesn't operate AS DESIGNED. States use a "winner takes all" system of awarding delegates instead of how it was designed. If each state awarded the delegates to those who actually won them, then the... more
      • actually DID leave it to the States to determine how their Electors would be selected. "Each State shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct , a number of Electors...." The... more
        • LEGISLATURE directs (IOW, congress? or they can decide how they CHOOSE their own electors.) I didn't even mention how they CHOOSE electors and don't especially care how. Each state doesn't get to... more
          • "Each State shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct , a number of Electors...." Now, what do you think "THE LEGISLATURE THEREOF " means? It means each State may decide all ... more
          • quite a few years since I was in school, it was the STATE legislature that assigns the electors. And in the beginning, the electors themselves had quite a bit more power than they do now as I recall. ... more
        • ...and didn't want to empower them. But look what happened. I think we should not be afraid to fix what's broken. It certainly didn't stop the Founders, and they were up against Divine Writ, you... more
    • There are a number of problems with — Sprout, Thu Nov 1 1:27pm
      • They wanted to know if I'd help get out the word or drive people to the polls or..... Oh hell, let me find it on my phone: "Hey SES, I'm Meg at #VoteTogether! We're working to increase voter... more
      • Ask Australia. Ask the Netherlands.SJW, Thu Nov 1 3:17pm
        How about forcing those who don't vote to have their lives run by the tangerine tornado. Haven't checked much on who is subsidizing who, have you? My permanent residence is abroad, but as a citizen I ... more
        • You tell us. It was your proposal.Sprout, Thu Nov 1 3:51pm
          What is the penalty for failure to vote? And I notice you didn't address the qualitative question either.
          • ...enough to just puke something up and let it drip through the cracks. "EVERYONE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO VOTE AAAHHH!!!" Ok. How would that work? "AAAHHH!!! STOP AXING ME QUESTIONS!!! I DON'T KNOW!!!... more
          • As for qualitative issues. Having a large enough minority who actually voted for Trump, it can't possibly get worse.
            • What about the poor?Sprout, Mon Nov 5 9:08am
              Those who are least able to afford the time and travel to go and vote are the same who would be most hurt by the fines. "It can't possibly get worse" - Certainly you assume that. You seem to feel... more
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