Amadeus
The US Is A Signatory To That Treaty...
Thu Nov 1, 2018 9:05pm
72.35.36.179

...and that gives the treaty the weight of Constitutional law.

So while it technically isn't US law, it has the power of it.

Amadeus

  • There is that, but that isn't technically US law. — HeavyHemi, Thu Nov 1 8:59pm
    And right isn't really that dedicated to paying attention to such trivialties from the UN. It guides US policy, which can be changed on a whim...which is what they are doing.
    • The US Is A Signatory To That Treaty... — Amadeus, Thu Nov 1 9:05pm
      • Wherein the UN guidelines inform US policy... — HeavyHemi, Thu Nov 1 11:07pm
        how they are implemented is up to the admin and there is quite wide latitude is the point. There's no reason do argue, the numerous court challenges with wins and losses make my point. We've also... more
        • There Is A Difference Between... — Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 12:10am
          ...how things are supposed to work and how things actually work because of power dynamics. I certainly do get that. I realize that things are not always done the way they should be done. We have yet... more
          • Was it in contravention of *our law? — HeavyHemi, Fri Nov 2 12:49am
            As far as I know, no legal authority in the the US made that determination regarding torture. And we're conflating things. The Geneva Convention isn't the same topic in regards to immigration. I'm... more
            • No, I Figured You Were Aware... — Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 8:27am
              ...based on your post. I was agreeing. I think it's similar in that we've signed onto treaties regarding torture, as well. Amadeus
            • Yes, the legal advisers in the Bush admin did say that it — Sia☺giah, Fri Nov 2 1:31am
              was legal to use torture techniques under the guise that the "enhanced interrogations" weren't technically torture and involved detainees NOT covered under the Geneva Convention.... more
              • A Backhanded Acknowledgement... — Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 7:02pm
                ...of the obligations we had - you know, lip service to carefully observing them and toeing the line, but meanwhile, we're doing things that any simpleton understands are in violation of the... more
              • Precisely. And as far as I know, no US Court of Law... — HeavyHemi, Fri Nov 2 12:55pm
                has decided that either way. So technically, it is still in legal limbo as far as the US law is concerned despite the Geneva convention saying otherwise.
                • I think there is U.S. legislation... — Sia☺giah, Sat Nov 3 12:28am
                  https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/politics/senate-torture-bill-cia/index.html https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-113C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_the_United_States
                  • There is and there was legislation before. — HeavyHemi, Sat Nov 3 2:26am
                    Until it's tested at the USSC and certain techniques codified a torture. There's quite a few in the GOP that would like to reverse this.
        • Let me clarify this. The admin is free to impliment... — HeavyHemi, Thu Nov 1 11:21pm
          the treaty as they see fit. The meaning of treaties as statute or law, is determined by the courts.
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