Wherein the UN guidelines inform US policy...
Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:07pm

how they are implemented is up to the admin and there is quite wide latitude is the point. There's no reason do argue, the numerous court challenges with wins and losses make my point. We've also engaged in torture, despite being a signatory. There are limits in how UN treaties apply to US law.

  • The US Is A Signatory To That Treaty...Amadeus, Thu Nov 1 9:05pm
    ...and that gives the treaty the weight of Constitutional law. So while it technically isn't US law, it has the power of it. Amadeus
    • Wherein the UN guidelines inform US policy... — HeavyHemi, Thu Nov 1 11:07pm
      • There Is A Difference Between...Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 12:10am
        ...how things are supposed to work and how things actually work because of power dynamics. I certainly do get that. I realize that things are not always done the way they should be done. We have yet... more
        • Was it in contravention of *our law?HeavyHemi, Fri Nov 2 12:49am
          As far as I know, no legal authority in the the US made that determination regarding torture. And we're conflating things. The Geneva Convention isn't the same topic in regards to immigration. I'm... more
          • No, I Figured You Were Aware...Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 8:27am
            ...based on your post. I was agreeing. I think it's similar in that we've signed onto treaties regarding torture, as well. Amadeus
          • was legal to use torture techniques under the guise that the "enhanced interrogations" weren't technically torture and involved detainees NOT covered under the Geneva Convention.... more
            • A Backhanded Acknowledgement...Amadeus, Fri Nov 2 7:02pm
              ...of the obligations we had - you know, lip service to carefully observing them and toeing the line, but meanwhile, we're doing things that any simpleton understands are in violation of the... more
            • has decided that either way. So technically, it is still in legal limbo as far as the US law is concerned despite the Geneva convention saying otherwise.
              • I think there is U.S. legislation...Sia☺giah, Sat Nov 3 12:28am
                https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/politics/senate-torture-bill-cia/index.html https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-113C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_the_United_States
                • There is and there was legislation before.HeavyHemi, Sat Nov 3 2:26am
                  Until it's tested at the USSC and certain techniques codified a torture. There's quite a few in the GOP that would like to reverse this.
      • the treaty as they see fit. The meaning of treaties as statute or law, is determined by the courts.
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